Editing Congressional Hearing On UAPs/David Grusch Congressional Questions

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The following is the entire Congress testimony of David grush who until recently worked at the national geospatial agency NGA as an intelligence officer he was one of the chief officers charged with analyzing reports of unidentified anomalous phenomena [[UAP]] and also transmedium object analysis reporting directly to the [[UAP]] task force he claimed that the United States government has conducted secret retrieval and reverse engineering operations on crashed non-human aircrafts he also stated to the media before that the United States government retrieved not just alien technology from these crash sites but also non-human bodies I'll leave you then with the full under oath testimony of David grush but don't forget to subscribe to the channel if you want to see more of this exciting content and consider leaving us a like it really helps do you solemnly swear or affirm that the Oath testimony you are about to give is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so helped you God let the record show that all the witnesses answered in the affirmative you may be seated appreciate you all being here today and look forward to your testimony I'll remind the witnesses that we have read your written statements and they will appear in full in the hearing record please try to limit your oral statements to five minutes as a reminder please press the button on the microphone in front of you so that it's on and the members can hear you when you begin to speak the light in front of you will turn green after four minutes it'll turn yellow and the red light when that comes on it tells you your five minutes have expired

==David Grush initial statement==
Mr Rush, Mr chairman ranking members and congressmen thank you I'm happy to be here this is an important issue and I'm grateful for your time my name is David Charles grush I was an intelligence officer for 14 years in the both in the U.S Air Force both active duty Air National Guard and Reserve at the rank of major and most recently from 2021 to 2025 or excuse me 2023 at the [[National geospatial Intelligence Agency]] NGA at the gs-15 civilian level which is the military equivalent of a full bird colonel.  I was my agency's co-lead and unidentified anomalous phenomena and trans medium object analysis as well as reporting to the [[UAP]] task force uaptf and eventually once it was established the [[All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office]] [[AARO]] I became a whistleblower through a PPD 19 urgent concern filing in May 2022 with the intelligence Community Inspector General following concerning reports from multiple esteemed and credentialed current and former military and intelligence Community individuals that the U.S government is operating with secrecy above Congressional oversights with regards to [[UAP]]s my testimony is based on information.

I've been given by individuals with a long-standing track record of legitimacy and service to this country many of whom also have shared compelling evidence in the form of photography official documentation and classified oral testimony to myself and many my various colleagues I have taken every step I can to collaborate this evidence over a period of four years while I was with the [[UAP]] task force and do my due diligence onthe individual sharing it this is because of these steps I believe strongly in the importance of bringing this information before you.  I am driven by a commitment of both to truth and transparency rooted in our inherent duty to uphold the [[The Constitution Of The United States of America|United States Constitution]] and protect the American people.

I'm asking Congress to hold our government to the standard and thoroughly investigate these claims but as I stand here under oath now I am speaking to the facts as I have been told them in the U.S Air Force in my national reconnaissance office nro Reserve its capacity I was a member of the [[UAP]] task force from 2019 to 2021. I served at the narrow operations center on the director's briefing staff which included the coordination of the presidential Daily Brief and supporting variety of contingency operations which I was the reserve Intelligence Division Chief back up in 2019 the [[UAP]] task force director asked me to identify all [[Special Access Programs|special access programs]] and [[Controlled Access Programs|controlled access programs]] also known as [[SAPS]] and [[CAPS]] we needed to satisfy our congressionally mandated Mission and we were direct report at the time to the deaf SEC deaf at the time.  Due to my extensive executive level intelligence support duties I was cleared to literally all relevant compartments and in a position of extreme trust both in my military and civilian capacities.  I was informed in the course of my official duties of a multi-decade [[UAP]] grass retrieval and reverse engineering program uh to which I was denied access to.  those additional read-ons when I uh requested it I made the decision based on the data I collected.  To report this information to my Superior superiors and multiple inspectors General and in effect becoming a whistleblower.  As you know I've suffered retaliation for my decision but I am hopeful that my actions will ultimately lead to a positive outcome of increased transparency.  Thank you and I'm happy to answer your questions.

==Hidden information==

Mr Grush, in your complaint to the intelligence Community inspector, you Inspector General you claim that you believe information is being hidden.  what kind of information do you think was hidden and do you think it should remain hidden?

'''David Grush -''' yes I can speak to that very briefly in unclassified manner.  As you know the preponderance of my complaint was classified to the intelligence communities uh both material acquisition and exploitation activity also baselining the [[UAP]]s but not sharing it with you know intelligence professionals that are actually doing step briefs to Pilots uh that that kind of information.

yeah Mr Grush finally do you believe that our government is in possession of [[UAP]]s 

'''David Grush -''' absolutely based on interviewing uh over 40 Witnesses over four years and and where I know the exact locations, and those locations were provided to the Inspector General and some of which to the intelligence committees I actually had the people with the first-hand knowledge um provide a protective disclosure to the Inspector General.

thank you 

'''David Grush -''' and Mr chairman I would just say that I think that these questions are important questions and I look forward to being involved in the process to get those answered I know there'll be a lot of questions from other committee members so I yield back Mr grosh

==Government Cover-up==

thank you for being here brother thank you all very much have you faced any retaliation or arrivals for any of your

testimony or anything on these lines yeah uh I have to be

careful what I say in detail because there is an open whistleblower reprisal investigation on my behalf and I don't

want to compromise that investigation by providing anything that may uh help provide somebody information but it

was very brutal and very unfortunate some of the tactics they used to hurt me

both professionally and and personally to be quite Frank yeah it's very unfortunate as they say when you're over

the target that's when they do the most firing at you do you have any personal knowledge of people who've been harmed

or injured in efforts to cover up or conceal these extraterrestrial technology yes

personally have you heard have anyone been murdered that you would think that you know of or have heard of I guess I

have to be careful asking that question I directed people with that knowledge to the appropriate authorities maybe in a

==Government attacked us==

um if we could get it get in a confidential area skiff we could talk about that but unfortunately we were denied access to the skiff and that's very unfortunate in this in this scenario um Mr Crush what about you what was your experience after you came forward?

'''David Grush -''' well uh it's only been about two months or so so I guess my experience has been overwhelming support from uh former colleagues of mine that have you know privately messaged me and and I do appreciate that, uh but I, I do have knowledge of um active planned reprisal activity against myself and other colleagues and it's very very upsetting to me coming from where uh certain senior leadership at previous agencies I was associated with and that's all I'll say publicly but I can provide more details in a closed environment.

okay well I I hope you understand that um there would be bipartisan rejection of any attempt uh to vilify demonize or engage in other reprisals against our Witnesses and people who are telling the truth from their perspective 

'''David Grush -''' yeah there were certain colleagues of mine that were brutally administratively attacked and it you know actually makes me very upset as a leader to see that happen to other co-workers and actually superiors of mine over the last three years.

how do you account for that response that seems like a bizarre response

I called administrative terrorism that's their their quiver their tool in the toolbox to silence people especially you know the career government service cares about the career cares about their clearance uh their reputation to climb the ladder and when you threaten that uh flow career path a lot of people back off but I'm here to represent those people.

Mr grush in speaking to you yesterday um I just wanted to follow up on

representative raskin's questions in the last couple of years have you had

incidences that have caused you to be in fear for your life for addressing these issues

yes personally okay I just want everyone to note that he's coming forward in fear of his life

to put in perspective if they were really not scared about this information coming out why would someone be

intimidated like that um to your knowledge are nhi is working with adversarial foreign governments in

either technology exchange programs or back engineering programs I don't have data on that I'm not sure have you heard

or you had people come forward to present that evidence not that particular evidence that you

just espoused okay on the 19th of April Dr Kirkpatrick head of [[AARO]] had said

that he did not find any evidence of [[UAP]]s you also stated that you had in your interview that you had briefed him

on information that you were uncovering but that he did not follow up with you were the items that you divulged to him

pertin to National Security yes him and I had a classified conversation in April 2022 before he

took over arrow in the July to 2022 and I provided him some concerns I had

do you know why he might not have fallen up with you uh unfortunately I cannot read his mind

um I wish he did I was I was happy to give Sage counsel to him on where to look when he took the the Helm of [[AARO]]

okay and then my last question for you before I moved to Mr Graves is um you received prior approval from the defense

department to speak on certain issues correct correct through uh dobster DOD pre-publication and Security review and

I just want to remind the public uh they're just looking from a security perspective these are my own personal

views and opinions not the Departments okay I'm asking that I think that there are

arms credit you so it does bring a certain amount of credibility to your testimony I'm required by law to do that

as a Former Intelligence officer or I go to jail for revealing classified information yeah we don't want you to go to jail Mr grush as a result of your

==Hidden technology programs==

previous government work have you met with people with direct knowledge or have direct knowledge yourself of

non-human origin craft yes I personally interviewed those individuals Mr grush as a result of your

previous government work have you met with people with direct knowledge or have direct knowledge yourself about ATS

Advanced Technologies that the US government has uh based on conventional Advanced Tech I

was briefed to the preponderance of the defense Department's both space and Aerospace compartment of programs yeah

do you have knowledge or do you have reason to believe that there are programs in the advanced Tech space that

are unsanctioned uh yes I do okay yeah and when you say that they're above congressional

oversight what do you mean a complicated question uh so there's you

know some I would call it abuse here so Congressional oversight of conventional special access programs so I'll use

title 10 so DOD as an example right so 10 U.S code section 119 discusses

congressional oversight of saps discusses uh the the depth sect def's ability to waive Congressional reporting

however the gang of eight is at least supposed to be notified if a you know waived or wave bigoted I'd acknowledged

sap is created and that's Public Law well so that how does I mean I don't want to cut you off but how does a

program like that get funded I will give you generalities I can get very specific in a closed session uh but

a misappropriation of funds and uh does that mean does that mean that there is

money in the budget that is said to go to a program but it doesn't and it goes to something else yes I have specific knowledge of that yep do you think U.S

corporations are over over charging for certain Tech they're selling to the US government and that additional money is

going to programs correct through something called irad okay um

==Sattelite Image Evidence==

satellite imagery let's talk about satellite imagery we have satellites all over the place some that we're aware of

and many that we're not aware of right we're taking pictures of everything at

every point in second uh Mr grush are you aware do you have direct knowledge we've talked to people with direct

knowledge that there are satellite imagery of these events uh that was one of my primary tasks in

[[NGA ]]since we uh process exploit and disseminate that kind of information I've seen multiple cases some of which

to my understanding and of course I left NG in April so that's my information cut off date but I personally

um reviewed both uh what we call Overhead collection and from other strategic and tactical platforms

that were I could not even explain prosaically and I have a degree in physics by the way as well and I had I

am aware that you guys have not seen these um reports unfortunately and I don't know why it is do you have direct

knowledge or you had spoken people with direct knowledge that this imagery applies to crash sites crash crash

imagery I can't discuss that in an open session okay

==Government Disinformation==

uh do you have any information that the US government is involved in a disinformation campaign to deny the

existence of certain [[UAP]]s I can't go beyond what I've already

stated publicly in my news Nation interview because it touches other sensitivities okay I'll yield the

balance of my time back thank you Mr chairman

Ms Fox thank you Mr chairman and I thank our Witnesses for being here today

Mr garush in your sworn testimony you state that the United States government

has retrieved supposedly extraterrestrial spacecraft and other

[[UAP]] related artifacts you go so far as to state that the U.S is in possession

of quote non-human spacecraft end quote and that

some of these artifacts have circulated with defense contractors several other former military and

intelligence officials have come forward with similar allegations albeit and

non-public settings however Dr Sean Kirkpatrick the director of aaro

previously testified before Congress that there has been an I quote

no credible evidence thus far of extraterrestrial activity or of

quote off-world technology brought to the attention of the office to your

knowledge is that statement correct it's not accurate I believe Dr

kirpatrick mentioned he had about 30 individuals that have come to [[AARO]] thus far a few

of those individuals have also come to arrow that I also interviewed and I know what they provided Dr Kirkpatrick in

their team okay I was able to evaluate okay information I need to go on sure

but um my understanding that this

his statement is accurate came from a direct quote

and this contradiction is a perfect example of why we need to inject

transparency into our government and for another example look no further than the

pitiful response to the Chinese spy balloon debacle earlier this year

you may remember the mass confusion that ensued when the balloon was first spotted over Montana four days after it

first entered U.S airspace over Alaska the Biden administration's initial

inability to address the object grew into a continuous series of

embarrassments after news of the balloon reached the Main Street mainstream media

we were assured that the balloon posed no threat to our security however after

the balloon was allowed to Transit the entire continental United States fighter

jets were scrambled off the coast of South Carolina to shoot it down this flip-flopping and obfuscation caused

needless confusion fear and panic across the country It's My Hope Mr chairman that this sort

of confusion will not be repeated thank you Mr chairman I'm going to direct this I believe to Mr grush but if
We have known since the 30s

any of you all feel like you need to jump in Just Jump Right In we're good um as a U.S government become aware of

actual evidence of extraterrestrial otherwise unexplained forms of intelligence and if so when do you think

this first occurred I like to use the term non-human I don't like to denote origin keeps the aperture

open both scientifically uh certainly like I've just discussed publicly uh

previously 1930s okay can you give me the names and titles of the people with direct first-hand

==More Cover-Up==

knowledge and access to some of this crash retrieval some of these crash retrieval programs and maybe which

facilities military bases that would the recovered material would be in and I know a lot of Congress talked about

we're going to go to Area 51 and you know and there's nothing there anymore anyway it's just you know and we move

like a glacier as soon as we announce it I'm sure the moving vans would pull up but please

uh I can't discuss that publicly but I did provide that information both to the Intel committees and the Inspector

General and we could get that in the skiff if we were allowed to get in a skiff with you would that be probably what you would think sure if you had the

appropriate accesses yeah uh what special access programs cover this information and how is it possible that

they have evaded oversight for so long uh I do know the names once again I

can't discuss that publicly and how they've evaded oversight I in a closed setting I can tell you this specific

tradecraft use all right when did when do you think those programs began and who authorized them

I do know a lot of that information but that's something I can't discuss publicly because since all right many of y'all want to jump in on any of this

==Who Has Access==

you're more than welcome to um what level of security clearance is required to fully access these programs

well anybody who has uh and I say that because myself um representative Gates and

representative Luna were basically turned away at one point at Eglin so please go right ahead certainly

difference between member access and say somebody like me but anybody who has a you know tssci clearance and meets the

eligibility criteria the access adjudicative Authority should be able to Grant you access Miss Merchant feel

yield so just to be put a fine point on that there's nothing that you're aware of that's above special access program

classification it's a misnomer that there's anything actually Above Top Secret executive order 13526 delineates

the classification levels right and but I I draw a point on that because we can have access to to those programs and so

the notion that we're not being given that access sort of defies our typical muscle memory here in Congress thank you

Miss Merchant I'll go back to you thank you Mr Gates um along those lines titled tan you

might not know this or not but title 10 and title 50 authorization as they they seem to say they're

inefficient it so who gets to decide this in your opinion in the past

uh it's a group of career uh senior executive officials

okay are they government officials do what both in and outs of government

==Private Sector Involvement==
and that's about as far as all right well that's it leads to my next question which private corporations are directly involved in this program how much taxpayer money has been invested in these programs to your knowledge?

I mean we know we know we we audit the Pentagon every year and I've been here

five years and they failed the dadgum thing every year they uh lose over a billion dollars a

year we think and I've told the Department of Defense maybe 60 percent of their assets are unaccounted for whatever the heck that means in the

Public's sector you go to jail for that kind of crap so tell me yeah I know when I um I'm a dollar off

of my DTS travel voucher I get the hammered but uh seems like it doesn't work together if you sell over 600 worth

of stuff on eBay now you get a call from the IRS so please what corporations yeah I don't know these specific metrics

towards the end of your question uh the specific corporations I did provide uh to the Committees in specific divisions

and uh I spent 11 and a half hours with both Intel committees so okay has there been any

==Government Denial==

has there been an acted U.S government disinformation campaign to deny the existence of unidentified aerial

phenomena and if so why I can't go beyond what I've already espoused publicly about that

==AOC==

thank you Mr okay Cortez thank you Mr chairman and thank you to

our Witnesses for coming here today um I do concur with the ranking members as well as several other members here on

this committee that this is a committee for whistleblowers and for the protection of whistleblowers as well so we understand what you're putting

um on the table here and we're putting on the line here and we thank you for that Mr Crush you sat on the unidentified anomalous phenomenon task

force created in the 2020 ndaa correct yes there have been some things that uh

that have been mentioned here during this hearing that I wanted to pick up on um Mr Graves you mentioned specifically during the answer to one of your questions you named Boeing contractors being engaged in an incident regarding

this Red Cube about a football football field wide I was wondering if

you could speak a little bit about the interaction or Mr Grush either of you the interactions between defense

contractor companies and nauap related programs or activities so I'll just say that the information

about uh the contractor themselves were provided by a witness and I have no particular detail in that relationship

Mr Grush the kind of General unclass wave tops certainly the contractors you know or

the metal Benders so to speak the ones actually uh doing specific performance on government contracts are they

required um to issue any disclosure regarding [[UAP]] sightings or do they engage in any reporting around this in

terms of the contractors not that I'm aware of they do not okay now when it

comes to notification that you had mentioned about um irap program I read programs we have

seen defense contractors abuse their contracts before through this committee

I have seen it personally and I have also seen the notification requirements to Congress abused

um I am wondering one of the loopholes that we see in the law is that there is at least from my

vantage point is that depending on what we're seeing is that there are no actual definitions or requirements for

notification are there what methods of notification Did You

observe like when they say they notified Congress how did they do that do you have insight into that

uh for certain irad activities I can only think of one's conventional

in nature um sometimes they throw flow through certain I would say sap programs that

have cognizant authority over the air force or something and those are congressionally reported compartments

but ired is literally internal to the contractor so as long as it's money either profits private investment Etc

they can do whatever they want to put a finer point on it when there is a requirement for any agency or company to

notify or any agency to notify Congress do they contact the chairman of a

committee do they get them on the phone specifically is this through an email to hypothetically a dead email box

a lot of it comes through what they call the PPR periodic program review process if it's a you know a sap or controlled

Access program equity and then those go to the specific committees whether it be the SAS task to see thank you

==[[Phoenix Lights]]==

um I I want to get into uh specifics here and and the reason I'm going to go this way is because you've talked a bit about um what I would call misdirection by um official U.S government with regard to [[UAP]]s right and so I'm going to get to that in a second but last week White House

Tennessee spokesman John Kirby stated that [[UAP]]s are having an impact on our training ranges and needs to be treated

as a legitimate issue do you concur with the statements that's for each of you yes

yes okay um now having said that I'm going to take you to specific instances around the Phoenix Valley because that's where I I live in 97.  We had the famous [[Phoenix light]] case. I don't know if any of you are familiar with that? there were there were two things that went along with that and the explanation was military training range off Luke and the Berry Goldwater range.  Do you know anything different other than the official explanation of those lights?

'''David Grush -''' only what's in the public vernacular about it that was outside the scope of my duties.

and if we wanted to just my question along with my colleague from New York, Mis ocasio-cortez, if we wanted to find out more about that where would we go to find the files and who, where and who would we address and are you gonna tell me we need to go to a skiff so you can tell us in a skiff? 

I could potentially give you a vector on that that specific case, I'm not, I mean I'm familiar with it in terms of public, but uh I I give you a vector in closed environment yeah

that would be good thank you.  so if, if it's true that [[UAP]]s are having Training ranges threat an impact on training ranges and this Administration considers it to be a legitimate issue, what steps can Congress take to address training range impacts and I say that having two very large training ranges in my state and so we'll start with? 

Mr gravesen going down the panel some of the initial procedures have been implemented uh such as within the United States Navy that have a range Fowler report that gathers information from Pilots I understand that a service-wide reporting mechanism is still pending however, that would be a great Next Step not only for gathering information but for showing the troops that is an acceptable topic and reducing the stigma is okay please all of you continue

yeah as a recipient of a lot of those training range reports sometimes we only get contextual kind of oral uh reporting

it'd be nice if they attached all sensor data and there's a system in place that can handle multiple classifications of

data and that's an issue with the F-35 right that jet was never built to be an ISR platform and it's a pain in the well

to say but to get that data off so yeah great thank you yeah I would agree with the previous two

being a user of those training ranges that the data has to be out there you have to acknowledge that you're seeing

them and then you have to collect the data right now you get the report someone says I saw something but no one collects the radar data to back it up

and do research okay do you believe that the 2019 classification guidelines for [[UAP]]s interferes with the federal

government's ability to be transparent with the American people and do you think we need to be more transparent

with the American people all of you yeah I'll say yes to that

familiar with the the at least the [[UAP]] task force 2019 security classification guide I think it's fair

um I did actually help uh author that with the oh yeah you got a bias that way but I will say

about declassifying videos I mean I've seen some of the videos of you know the recent shoot down and I saw no reason

that couldn't have been released as long as they mask you know some data the American people deserve to see that

imagery and full motion video and then we go to Mr Burleson

==Aggressive UFOs==

thank you Mr chairman um appreciate you guys coming out today testifying look I've been here for six

months and I'm pretty skeptical I don't trust anything in this town and um and so I and I think that's

because I'm from Missouri you've got to show me right um with that being said um there's been a lot of things that

have been said um in in the public uh Mr grush and and so I want to get down this if we can

some specifics right so um at one point you had said that they're

they're my there has been harmful activity or Progressive activity has any

of the activity um been aggressive been hostile in your

reports I know of multiple colleagues of mine that got physically injured and uh the

activity and I Gotta Buy Buy [[UAP]]s or buy

people within the federal government both okay so there has been activity by by

alien or non-human technology and or beings that

has caused harm to humans uh I can't get into the specifics in an

open environment but at least the activity that I personally witnessed and not to be very

careful here because you don't you know they tell you never to acknowledge tradecraft right so what I personally witness myself and my wife was very

disturbing okay um one of my constituents actually sent

Alien Bodies and interdimensional Beigns

this next question and I figured I'd ask it since I had the same thought you've said that U.S and has intact spake

spacecraft you said that the government has alien bodies or alien species

have you seen have you have you seen the spacecraft

I have to be careful to describe what I've seen firsthand and not in this environment but I could answer that

question behind behind closed doors and have you seen any of the bodies that's something I've I've not witnessed

myself okay and so with that being said you know and the other statement that

has been made that was intriguing to me because and it's intriguing because my

my view has been that we are billions of light years away from any any other

system and the concept that an alien species that's technologically advanced

enough to travel billions of light years gets here and somehow is incompetent enough to not survive Earth or crashes

is is something that I find a little bit far-fetched and with that being said you

have mentioned that there's interdimensional potential could you expound on that

oh yeah to answer your first question and you know I'm here as a fact witness an expert but I will give you a a

theoretical framework at least to work off to kind of expose uh crashes uh

regardless of uh you know your level of sentience right you know planes crash cars crash and number of sorties what

however High a small percentage are going to end in you know Mission failure if you will as we say in the in the air force uh and then in terms of uh multi-dimensionality that kind of thing the the framework that I'm familiar with for example is something called the holographic principle uh both uh it's it drives itself from general relativity and quantum mechanics and that is if you want to imagine uh 3D objects such as yourself casting a shadow onto a 2d surface that's the holographic principle so you can be projected quasi-projected from higher dimensional space to lower

dimensional it's a scientific Trope that you can actually cross literally as far as I understand but there's probably guys of PHDs that we can probably but you have not seen any documentation that that's what's occurring uh only a theoretical framework discussion okay

um okay Occam's razor my is that this these aircraft um have they been identified that they are being produced by by domestic um you know military and contractors is there any evidence that that's what's being recovered?

'''David Grush -''' uh not to my knowledge. 

plus the recoveries predate a lot of our Advanced programs that I previously am waiting of so um would it be safe to say that there could be a scenario today where you have an aircraft that crashes and because it's been involved in one program from One Federal agency and the but the but the agency that retrieves it is not aware of that program and to them it appears alien in origin.

'''David Grush -''' I mean that's a hypothetical situation I'm not aware of any uh historical situation that would match that that you described.

so you're not aware it has not happened that you're aware of?

'''David Grush -''' that I'm aware of

Intelligent Contact, We have bodies

thank you Mr chairman I yield back

um Mr Grush a couple of questions for you too sir this morning um what percentage of UAPs, do you feel, are adequately investigated by the US government?

'''David Grush -''' Of the five percent that are reported um I can only speak for my personal leadership over at [[NGA]] I tried to look at every report that came through that I could triage.

so do you believe that officials at the highest levels of our national security apparatus have unlawfully withheld information from Congress and subverted our oversight?

'''David Grush -''' Authority there are certain elected leaders that had more information that I'm not sure what they've shared with certain gang of eight members or Etc but uh certainly uh

I would not be surprised okay you've stated that the government is in possession of potentially non-human spacecraft.  Based on your experience and extensive conversations with experts do you believe our government has made contact with intelligent extraterrestrials?

'''David Grush -''' Somethings I can't discuss in public setting.

um okay and I can't ask when you think this occurred if you believe we have crashed craft stated earlier do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this craft?

'''David Grush -''' As I've stated publicly already in my news Nation interview biologics came with some of these recoveries, yeah.

um human or non-human biologics?

'''David Grush -''' non-human and that was the assessment of people with direct knowledge on the program I talked to that are currently still on the program and was this documentary references video photos eyewitness like how would that be determined the specific documentation I would have to talk to you in a skiff about, gotcha Next Hearing Witness list

um okay and you may or may not be able to answer my last question and maybe we get into a skiff at the next hearing that we have but who in the government either what agency sub-agency what contractors who should be called into the next hearing about [[UAP]]s either in a public setting or even in a private setting and you probably can't name names but what agencies or organizations contractors Etc do we need to call in to get these questions answered whether it's about funding what programs are happening and what's out there I can give you a specific cooperative and hostile witness list of specific individuals that were in those and how soon can we get that list I'm happy to provide that to you after the hearing super thank you and I yield back thank you Mr chairman thank you Mr ogles for the great questions brother
How [[UAP]] Injuries Happened?

um Mr Grush I might have asked this before but I want to make sure do you have any personal knowledge of someone who's possibly been injured working on
Legacy [[UAP]] reverse engineering?

'''David Grush -''' Yes

Okay, um how are they injured was it is it something like a radioactive type situation or something we didn't understand I've heard people talk about The Havana syndrome type incidences? What was your recollection of that?

'''David Grush -''' I can't get into the specifics but you could imagine assessing an unknown unknown uh, there's a lot of potentialities you can't fully prepare for.

How do you think we ought to handle [[UAP]] whistleblowe complaints like yours in the in the future?

'''David Grush -''' yeah there were some issues issue with mine so you know PPD 19 process it goes to the Intel committees uh either through ppd19 or icd-120 there's not a good way for the intelligence Community Inspector General to provide that to other committees and I asked my information to be sent to the House and Senate armed services committee because there are title 10 equities at play but there was no smooth process to do so yeah it's a trash can

um are you aware of any individuals that are participating in reverse engineering programs for non-terrestrial craft?

'''David Grush -''' personally yes uh you know anything to be willing to testify if there were protections for them certainly closed door and assurances uh the breaking their NDA they're not going to get administratively punished.

for sale yeah I yield Mr chair uh chairman

Why Non-Human Term ?

I'd like to submit for the record an article by news nation and it follows Mr grush's full interview for the record without objection thank you um Mr grush.

Why is it that you refer to the phenomenon as non-human intelligence why deviate from the basis of extraterrestrial life I think the phenomenon is a very complex and I like to leave an open mind analytically to specific origin when you say specific origin are you referring can you elaborate on that for those that might if it's a traditional extraterrestrial origin or something else that we don't quite understand uh from either biological or astrophysics perspective yeah just like the keep an open mind on what it could be yeah okay and referring to your news US-Russia treatie

Nation interview you had referenced specific treaties between governments um article 3 of the nuclear arms treaty with Russia identifies [[UAP]]s it specifically mentions them to your knowledge are there safety measures in place with foreign governments or other superpowers to avoid an escalatory situation in the event that a [[UAP]] malevolent malevolent event occurs uh yeah you're referring to actual uh a public treaty in the U.N register uh it's funny you mentioned that yeah the agreement on measures to reduce the risk of outbreak a nuclear war sign in 1971. uh unclassified treaty publicly available and If you cite the George Washington University National Security archives you will find uh the Declassified in 2013 specific Provisions in the specific uh Red Line flash message traffic with the specific codes pursuant to article 3 an article uh also situation two which is in the the previously classified NSA archive what I would recommend and I I tried to get access but I got a wall of Silence at the White House uh was the specific incidents when those um message traffic was used I think uh some scholarship on that would open the door to a further investigation using those publicly available information thank you and then my last question with 51 seconds remaining you you mentioned white collar crimes potentially being um taking place in regards to a cover-up, can you please elaborate I have concerns based on the interviews I conducted under my official duties of potential violations of the federal acquisition regulations the far 

'''David Grush -''' I can't say

thank you very much chairman I yield the remainder of my time 

okay Mr grush um you've been able to answer in great detail on certain questions and then other things you say you're not able. uh to respond to can you just explain where you're Drawing the Line? uh and what's the basis for that?

'''David Grush -''' yeah based on my dobster Security review uh and what they've determined that is unclassified.

I see so you're answering any questions that just call upon your knowledge of an unclassified questions but anything that relates to classified matters you're not commenting on in this context in an open session but happy to participate in a closed session at the right level?

'''David Grush -''' yeah

um let me ask you, how can the public contribute to [[UAP]] reporting and what Avenues you think are available to the public to report these sightings? 

'''David Grush -''' I'll just touch on The Whistleblower side if it's I do encourage you know current former military intelligence community in Industry contractors to come forward in a legal way either through the IC or DOD or whatever the cognizant IGS are um to to lead you know lead you know join me in this discussion