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		<title>Maintenance script: Politics BBS Archive</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Politics BBS Archive&lt;/p&gt;
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Copyright 1983&lt;br /&gt;
NPG,Ltd.&lt;br /&gt;
		      SELLING HUMAN ORGANS&lt;br /&gt;
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  ISSUE:  Should we allow human organs, such as kidneys, to be bought and sold&lt;br /&gt;
like ordinary commodities?  (1) No, we should prohibit anyone from buying or&lt;br /&gt;
selling organs.  (2) Yes, the introduction of market-based pricing would help&lt;br /&gt;
alleviate much human suffering and actually reduce the overall economic burden.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  BACKGROUND:  The issue of how to procure human organs covers everything from&lt;br /&gt;
hearts to bone pieces.	But most of the controversy so far centers on the most&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;popular&amp;quot; organ transplanted, the kidney.  Each year more than 10,000 people&lt;br /&gt;
need new kidneys.  But only about 5,000 of these people receive new kidneys,&lt;br /&gt;
mostly because of the shortage of available organs.  In theory, there are&lt;br /&gt;
enough organs.	Each year there are 20,000 deaths that create potentially&lt;br /&gt;
usable organs.	When interviewed in ordinary circumstances, nearly 80% of&lt;br /&gt;
people say that they are willing to donate the organs of a loved one, should&lt;br /&gt;
they die in a fashion which makes them a potential donor.  Yet, for reasons&lt;br /&gt;
subject to extensive and intense debate, that generalized willingness to donate&lt;br /&gt;
does not translate into an adequate supply of organs.  To fill the gap,&lt;br /&gt;
patients are kept alive by use of expensive dialysis machines.	Each year the&lt;br /&gt;
public spends $2 billion through Medicare to support dialysis, which comes to&lt;br /&gt;
about $30,000 per patient per year.  In the near future the demand for&lt;br /&gt;
transplant operation likely will skyrocket.  The FDA recently approved a new&lt;br /&gt;
drug -- cyclosporin -- which doubles the previous success rate.  The demand for&lt;br /&gt;
transplantable organs thus will soar.  To meet that anticipated demand several&lt;br /&gt;
firms have proposed establishing a system for locating people willing to donate&lt;br /&gt;
their organs for payment.  The firms would then pass on that cost plus their&lt;br /&gt;
own overhead to the patient.  One firm estimates that the cost of an organ such&lt;br /&gt;
as a kidney, procured through this system would be about $15,000.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  POINT:  These proposals for setting up &amp;quot;organs for sale&amp;quot; networks cannot be&lt;br /&gt;
tolerated; they must be immediately outlawed.  We cannot allow people to sell&lt;br /&gt;
their own organs because that is not only repugnant to decency, it will create&lt;br /&gt;
gruesome blackmarket operations.  Moreover, the proposals would exploit poor&lt;br /&gt;
foreigners by encouraging them to sell body parts to rich Americans.  We do not&lt;br /&gt;
allow people to sell themselves into slavery; we cannot allow them to sell&lt;br /&gt;
their vital body parts.  This goes beyond morality.  Living donors of virtually&lt;br /&gt;
any organ increase their risk of death or disease.  Moreover, it does not take&lt;br /&gt;
much imagination to conjure up horrible images of hard-hearted relatives of a&lt;br /&gt;
dead person selling the body for cash.	With the vast number of potential but&lt;br /&gt;
unused donors, we should redouble our efforts to stimulate voluntary donors,&lt;br /&gt;
not set up &amp;quot;bodyshops.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  COUNTERPOINT:  We should not only permit but encourage private firms to&lt;br /&gt;
locate organs for donation.  Provided that he does not kill himself, a person&amp;#039;s&lt;br /&gt;
body is his own to do with it as he wants.  As a matter of fundamental&lt;br /&gt;
principle, government must not be allowed to tell a person how to use his or&lt;br /&gt;
her body.  The proposed private donor systems are not fundamentally different&lt;br /&gt;
from firms that pay for blood donations.  Few would argue that these&lt;br /&gt;
profit-making operations do not help to supply vital blood products.  And yet&lt;br /&gt;
when originally started, the donation-for-pay stimulated intense debate.  Now&lt;br /&gt;
we can see that the original controversy proved vastly overblown.  A careful&lt;br /&gt;
examination of the economics will show that the cost to the patient and the&lt;br /&gt;
public to purchase organs is far less a burden than that which they bear today.&lt;br /&gt;
According to current estimates, the cost of a purchased kidney would be less&lt;br /&gt;
than the cost of six months on dialysis machine and subject many patients to&lt;br /&gt;
far less agony.  And, costs aside, many people today die for lack of donors;&lt;br /&gt;
these lives would be saved if we would take steps to increase the supply of&lt;br /&gt;
available organs.&lt;br /&gt;
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QUESTIONS:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  o If organ sales are allowed, how would you put a price on the value of a&lt;br /&gt;
human organ?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  o If organ sales are allowed should there be mechanism, perhaps through&lt;br /&gt;
insurance or government assistance, that allows all people to obtain organs&lt;br /&gt;
regardless of their financial means?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  o Would this issue be less controversial if the organ seller were terminally&lt;br /&gt;
ill?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  o Would it be immoral for a person to sell his organs for implant in&lt;br /&gt;
strangers?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  o Is it better to keep a person on an artificial organ than to give them a&lt;br /&gt;
transplant from an organ bought from a donor?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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REFERENCES:&lt;br /&gt;
     FDA Approves Drug to Aid Organ Transplants, John Wilke, The&lt;br /&gt;
Washington Post, September 3, 1983, p.A1&lt;br /&gt;
     Va. Doctor Plans Company to Arrange Sale of Human Kidneys,&lt;br /&gt;
Margaret Engel, The Washington Post, September 19, 1983, p.A9&lt;br /&gt;
     Doctors Decry Plan to Buy, Sell Kidneys, Judie Glave,&lt;br /&gt;
Associated Press, The Washington Post, September 24, 1983&lt;br /&gt;
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  (Note:  Please leave your thoughts -- message or uploaded comments -- on this&lt;br /&gt;
issue on Tom Mack&amp;#039;s RBBS, The Second Ring --- (703) 759-5049.  Please address&lt;br /&gt;
them to Terry Steichen of New Perspectives Group, Ltd.)&lt;br /&gt;
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