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From: hkhenson@cup.portal.com (H Keith Henson)&lt;br /&gt;
Newsgroups: sci.cryonics&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: Selling Cryonics (was ICE DWARFS)&lt;br /&gt;
Message-ID: &amp;lt;71938@cup.portal.com&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 19:41:54 PST&lt;br /&gt;
Organization: The Portal System (TM)&lt;br /&gt;
References:  &amp;lt;1992Dec15.125933.42625@urz.unibas.ch&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Lines: 335&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
             A Theoretical Understanding &lt;br /&gt;
                         By&lt;br /&gt;
                   H. Keith Henson&lt;br /&gt;
                         and&lt;br /&gt;
                     Arel Lucas   &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
        The March &amp;#039;89 Cryonics carried Dave Kekich&amp;#039;s article &amp;quot;A &lt;br /&gt;
Practical Memorial.&amp;quot;  It was about Oz, Dave&amp;#039;s friend who did not make &lt;br /&gt;
it into suspension when he needed it--despite many qualities you would &lt;br /&gt;
think predisposed him to consider cryonics.  Not the least of these &lt;br /&gt;
predispositions was having a close friend long active in cryonics.  In &lt;br /&gt;
the article, Dave focused on his sense of failure as a cryonics &lt;br /&gt;
salesman in his effort to understand why Oz did not make suspension &lt;br /&gt;
arrangements.  The article has prompted us to spend some time in front &lt;br /&gt;
of our word processors on another way to view the problem of &amp;quot;selling &lt;br /&gt;
cryonics&amp;quot;-- in terms of the genetic origin of humans and the memetic &lt;br /&gt;
origin of culture.  In this discussion, there are deep connections to &lt;br /&gt;
evolution, which itself is well rooted in our understanding of the &lt;br /&gt;
physical world around us.  Because of the need for background, we will &lt;br /&gt;
wander a long way from the immediate problem of getting people to make &lt;br /&gt;
cryonic suspension arrangements, but by the time we get back, you &lt;br /&gt;
might have a deeper appreciation of the difficulties of &amp;quot;selling&amp;quot; the &lt;br /&gt;
cryonics concept. &lt;br /&gt;
        &lt;br /&gt;
        Most readers of Cryonics understand that we arrived at our &lt;br /&gt;
current physical structure (which includes everything--genes, jawbones &lt;br /&gt;
and brains) through the process of evolution, that is through random &lt;br /&gt;
variation and very non-random survival.  About 4.5 million years ago &lt;br /&gt;
our branch of the primate tree split from our nearest relatives the &lt;br /&gt;
chimpanzees when the climate changed, and the shrinking forest left &lt;br /&gt;
them &amp;quot;high and dry.&amp;quot;  (All this is current best guess, but there is a &lt;br /&gt;
large collection of evidence.) An entire suite of physical and &lt;br /&gt;
behavioral changes seems to have happened together. &lt;br /&gt;
        &lt;br /&gt;
        Chimpanzees today have behaviors, such as sharing meat, that &lt;br /&gt;
our common ancestors are likely to have had.  This tendency seems to &lt;br /&gt;
have been elaborated by our male ancestors into a steady provisioning &lt;br /&gt;
of the females and young by bringing food to them from the &lt;br /&gt;
encroaching, but highly productive, protein-rich plains. (As opposed &lt;br /&gt;
to the chimps&amp;#039; way of life where the females provide virtually all &lt;br /&gt;
food for the young and the males guard the territory.)  Incidentally, &lt;br /&gt;
compared to forest, grasslands provide a *lot* of meat per square &lt;br /&gt;
mile. &lt;br /&gt;
        &lt;br /&gt;
        It is likely our common ancestor could walk upright for a &lt;br /&gt;
short distance since chimps can do it.  Walking upright for ever &lt;br /&gt;
further distances had an advantage because the males who could free &lt;br /&gt;
their hands for carrying food in this changed situation were more &lt;br /&gt;
successful in the number of children who carried their genes in the &lt;br /&gt;
next generation.  Of course this took place in social groups, so there &lt;br /&gt;
was continual selection for:  genes that made cooperative behavior &lt;br /&gt;
more likely; genes to exploit others cooperation; and genes to resist &lt;br /&gt;
being suckered.  Computer evolution simulations (see Selfish Gene) of &lt;br /&gt;
such situations lead to stable mixes of reproductive strategies &lt;br /&gt;
similar to what are actually observed in human populations. &lt;br /&gt;
        &lt;br /&gt;
        As genes became more common which (through the process of &lt;br /&gt;
embryogenesis) constructed males more and more likely to work (mostly &lt;br /&gt;
in groups) to feed *their* mates and children, other traits became &lt;br /&gt;
advantageous.  Sequestered estrous (as opposed to the flamboyant &lt;br /&gt;
chimpanzee event), continual sexual receptivity, and a tendency toward &lt;br /&gt;
monogamy (and jealousy) all tend to genetically reward provisioning &lt;br /&gt;
males.  All of this culminated in the several- million-year old &lt;br /&gt;
institution of the human family.&amp;amp; &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[footnote &amp;amp; An alternate scenario could be constructed, a sex-for-meat &lt;br /&gt;
swap, starting with females who were somewhat receptive even when not &lt;br /&gt;
in estrous.  Same result.] &lt;br /&gt;
        &lt;br /&gt;
        The net effect of all these changes was to about double the &lt;br /&gt;
reproductive rate of proto-humans compared to the chimpanzees. Our &lt;br /&gt;
ancestors needed the high reproductive rate because the plains were &lt;br /&gt;
*Dangerous* places (no trees to climb).  A lot of them seem to have &lt;br /&gt;
been eaten by leopards and the other large predators of the time. &lt;br /&gt;
        &lt;br /&gt;
        Some 2.5 million years ago we find the first evidence of &lt;br /&gt;
worked stone.  While even chimpanzees pass cultural knowledge, such as &lt;br /&gt;
how to catch termites, from generation to generation, worked stone is &lt;br /&gt;
the first surviving evidence that our ancestors started passing down &lt;br /&gt;
the generations complex, non-genetic, behavior- influencing &lt;br /&gt;
information.  This information can be said to program high level &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;agents&amp;quot; in the mind which are invoked to do or make things.  About &lt;br /&gt;
the same time, the brain size of our forebears started to increase &lt;br /&gt;
substantially over the chimpanzee&amp;#039;s.  Tool making and larger brains &lt;br /&gt;
probably influenced each other in a positive feedback cycle. &lt;br /&gt;
        &lt;br /&gt;
        Those able to learn the more complex tasks from those around &lt;br /&gt;
them must have had a significant survival advantage, in spite of the &lt;br /&gt;
increased maternal and infant mortality from getting those larger &lt;br /&gt;
brains delivered. &lt;br /&gt;
        &lt;br /&gt;
        As the *information* of how to chip rock and other such &lt;br /&gt;
discoveries was passed on to larger numbers of the very people whose &lt;br /&gt;
survival it enhanced, a new evolving entity, the &amp;quot;meme&amp;quot; or replicating &lt;br /&gt;
information pattern became increasing significant. &lt;br /&gt;
        &lt;br /&gt;
        (footnote ref--first defined in The Selfish Gene by Richard &lt;br /&gt;
Dawkins 1976) &lt;br /&gt;
        &lt;br /&gt;
        Genes are totally dependent on cells; complex memes are no &lt;br /&gt;
less dependent on large human brains.  Memes run the gamut from &lt;br /&gt;
essential symbionts to dangerous parasites.  They evolve, and, in &lt;br /&gt;
particular, they have *co-evolved* with the human line.  In the &lt;br /&gt;
aggregate, they constitute culture.  The memetic information passed &lt;br /&gt;
down from generation to generation exceeded our genetic data some time &lt;br /&gt;
ago. &lt;br /&gt;
        &lt;br /&gt;
        As human brains enlarged they improved in the ability to &lt;br /&gt;
anticipate changes, making plans to hunt, to move with the seasons, &lt;br /&gt;
and, later, to plant seeds for a future harvest.  These and similar &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;smart&amp;quot; behaviors have obvious survival advantages, but they may have &lt;br /&gt;
disadvantages as well.  Alas, it seems that it is quite possible to be &lt;br /&gt;
too smart for &amp;quot;the good of one&amp;#039;s genes.&amp;quot; A contemporary example is the &lt;br /&gt;
statistical fact that highly intelligent people have significantly &lt;br /&gt;
fewer children than the norm.  For very different reasons, people of &lt;br /&gt;
*subnormal* intelligence also have lower-than-average reproductive &lt;br /&gt;
success. &lt;br /&gt;
        &lt;br /&gt;
        Many traits of populations that have a bell curve distribution &lt;br /&gt;
are trimmed by some form of selection on both ends. If they were not, &lt;br /&gt;
natural selection on individuals on one end of the curve would cause &lt;br /&gt;
the population norm to drift until a new norm was reached where &lt;br /&gt;
individuals far out from the norm in either direction suffered reduced &lt;br /&gt;
reproductive success in about the same amounts. &lt;br /&gt;
        &lt;br /&gt;
        Being able to anticipate the future may not have been an &lt;br /&gt;
unmixed blessing for early humans.  Besides worrying about what to eat &lt;br /&gt;
in the morning, and how to get through the night without being eaten, &lt;br /&gt;
our ancestors could worry about existential angst, and ponder &lt;br /&gt;
questions of the &amp;quot;Where Was I Before I Was Me?&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;What Happens &lt;br /&gt;
After I Die?&amp;quot; kind.  It may sound silly, but such questions, prompted &lt;br /&gt;
by frequent deaths among those around you may have been a barrier for &lt;br /&gt;
hundreds of thousands of years to the emergence of smarter people with &lt;br /&gt;
enhanced ability to anticipate and plan for the future.  It is not &lt;br /&gt;
good for your genes to be dwelling on such questions while something &lt;br /&gt;
large, furry, and not in the least concerned about angst, sneaks up &lt;br /&gt;
and nips off your head! &lt;br /&gt;
        &lt;br /&gt;
        (footnote --at least if it does it before you have lots of &lt;br /&gt;
kids, and have helped raise lots of grandkids.  The recognition of &lt;br /&gt;
this fact is reflected in the Chinese tradition that those who would &lt;br /&gt;
attempt to understand the I Ching--a contemplative task bound to &lt;br /&gt;
invoke troubling questions--are traditionally warned off doing so &lt;br /&gt;
until they have completed the parental phase of life, and secured the &lt;br /&gt;
future of their grandchildren.) &lt;br /&gt;
        &lt;br /&gt;
        We know that eventually smarter people did emerge, and came to &lt;br /&gt;
dominate the world.  This started about 200,000 years ago, roughly the &lt;br /&gt;
same time that DNA studies indicate that one woman was the common &lt;br /&gt;
ancestor of us all.  Like chipped rock and larger brains emerging &lt;br /&gt;
together, it is possible that some meme mutated out of more primitive &lt;br /&gt;
ones, or arose from observations to form a &amp;quot;religious belief&amp;quot; that &lt;br /&gt;
provided &amp;quot;answers&amp;quot; to such questions and had the effect of &lt;br /&gt;
compensating for genes that otherwise would made us too smart for our &lt;br /&gt;
own (genetic) good.  Beliefs that could fit this description are known &lt;br /&gt;
to go back to the very beginning of written history, and &lt;br /&gt;
archaeological digs produce physical evidence (flower grave offerings) &lt;br /&gt;
of such beliefs back at least 70,000 years.  (The actual timing is not &lt;br /&gt;
important to this argument, but objects believe to be &amp;quot;religious&amp;quot; in &lt;br /&gt;
nature became common by about 35,000 years ago.) &lt;br /&gt;
        &lt;br /&gt;
        &amp;quot;Religious&amp;quot; memes compensating for too-smart-for-their- &lt;br /&gt;
own-good brains is rank speculation, but Marvin Minsky argues that &lt;br /&gt;
more complex brains are inherently less stable.  It is true that our &lt;br /&gt;
more remote relatives (such as cows) seem to have fewer mental &lt;br /&gt;
problems, perhaps just because they have less &amp;quot;mental.&amp;quot; His &lt;br /&gt;
thought &lt;br /&gt;
        &lt;br /&gt;
(footnote--- personal communication through Eric Drexler) &lt;br /&gt;
        &lt;br /&gt;
        is that certain &amp;quot;agents&amp;quot; built with patterns from outside &lt;br /&gt;
could enhance the stability of a complex mind.  He discussed a variety &lt;br /&gt;
of mental &amp;quot;agents&amp;quot; in Society of Mind, reviewed in Cryonics some time &lt;br /&gt;
ago.  One class, censors, would be especially useful if kept someone&amp;#039;s &lt;br /&gt;
mind from spiraling down into a blue funk over unanswerable questions.  &lt;br /&gt;
Ideas that when a family member died he had gone to &amp;quot;the happy hunting &lt;br /&gt;
grounds,&amp;quot; and that you would see him again might make a big difference &lt;br /&gt;
in the survival of grief- stricken relatives.  Jane Goodall&amp;#039;s report &lt;br /&gt;
of a case where a chimpanzee seems to have died of grief gives this &lt;br /&gt;
model some credibility.  (The chimp was believed to have had an &lt;br /&gt;
abnormally strong attachment to his mother.) &lt;br /&gt;
        &lt;br /&gt;
        This is very speculative, but &amp;quot;religious&amp;quot; memes could have &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;functions&amp;quot; such as reducing the effects of grief or answering &lt;br /&gt;
philosophical questions about which it was (genetically) unprofitable &lt;br /&gt;
to ponder.  These memes would be favored in a causal loop if they &lt;br /&gt;
improve the survival of people carrying genes which tend to destablize &lt;br /&gt;
a person&amp;#039;s mental state, but otherwise improve their survival. &lt;br /&gt;
        &lt;br /&gt;
        Such genes might (for example) contribute to intelligence, &lt;br /&gt;
sensitivity, and forming strong emotional attachments.  After a few &lt;br /&gt;
millennia, religious memes and conditionally advantageous genes would &lt;br /&gt;
become quite dependent on each other.  In an environment saturated &lt;br /&gt;
with religious memes, there would be little pressure for minds to &lt;br /&gt;
evolve that could get by without stabilizing memes. &lt;br /&gt;
        &lt;br /&gt;
        In turn, the religious memes that originated long ago have had &lt;br /&gt;
plenty of time to split into varieties, compete for hosts, and &lt;br /&gt;
themselves evolve in response to a changing environment.  (An &lt;br /&gt;
occasional variation may kill its hosts, a la Jim Jones.)  A lay &lt;br /&gt;
observer looking for similarities over such a period might not &lt;br /&gt;
recognize much common ritual.  (Joseph Campbell devoted his life to &lt;br /&gt;
discovering common threads in ritual.)  Both modern and ancient &lt;br /&gt;
religions seem to &amp;quot;fit&amp;quot; into similar places in the mind, and have the &lt;br /&gt;
similar functions of providing &amp;quot;answers&amp;quot; to the unanswerable, and &lt;br /&gt;
comfort to the grief stricken. &lt;br /&gt;
        &lt;br /&gt;
        The environment in those minds (mostly the result of other &lt;br /&gt;
memes) has greatly changed as people accumulated more observations &lt;br /&gt;
about the world around them and got better at manipulating it.  There &lt;br /&gt;
are known changes in the history of religion, such as the tendency for &lt;br /&gt;
monotheistic religions (in the western cultural tradition) to replace &lt;br /&gt;
polytheistic ones, and the well known tendency for religions (and &lt;br /&gt;
similar belief patterns) to mutate into new and competing varieties.   &lt;br /&gt;
We can see some (the written part) of the accumulated variation.  For &lt;br /&gt;
example, the religion of the Old Testament is recognizably the &lt;br /&gt;
ancestor of the more recent New Testament. &lt;br /&gt;
        &lt;br /&gt;
        Because humans learn from other adults as well as parents, &lt;br /&gt;
religious beliefs that are &amp;quot;better suited&amp;quot; to infect human minds could &lt;br /&gt;
spread, even (if it survived translation) across language boundaries.  &lt;br /&gt;
(Islam simply imposed Arabic on its converts.)  In Europe during early &lt;br /&gt;
historical times, we can see the displacement of older religions with &lt;br /&gt;
Christianity.   Within Christianity we can see in recent historical &lt;br /&gt;
times competing varieties mutate from earlier versions (a classic &lt;br /&gt;
example would be the Mormons) and within the US in the last decades we &lt;br /&gt;
have seen the arrival of both new &amp;quot;religions&amp;quot; such as Scientology, and &lt;br /&gt;
the repeated importation of eastern religions.  (Almost all new and &lt;br /&gt;
transplanted religions fail--we only see the ones which grow large &lt;br /&gt;
enough to notice.) &lt;br /&gt;
        &lt;br /&gt;
        Because human minds usually hold only one religion at a time, &lt;br /&gt;
religious memes are in &amp;quot;competition&amp;quot; for a limited number of human &lt;br /&gt;
minds.  This sets up the conditions for a powerful &amp;quot;evolutionary &lt;br /&gt;
struggle&amp;quot; between religious memes.  You should expect the memes which &lt;br /&gt;
survive this process to resist being displaced, and to induce their &lt;br /&gt;
hosts to propagate them. &lt;br /&gt;
        &lt;br /&gt;
        How (at long last!) does this relate to the difficulty of &lt;br /&gt;
selling cryonics? We submit that the long term mental changes that &lt;br /&gt;
happen to people who make cryonics arrangements have a lot in common &lt;br /&gt;
with religious conversions. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[footnote  We doubt many realize it at the time.   When we made &lt;br /&gt;
arrangements with Alcor it was just the logical thing to do, given our &lt;br /&gt;
understanding of nanotechnology.   It was only with the threats to &lt;br /&gt;
Alcor, and its patients, over the Dora Kent affair that made us &lt;br /&gt;
realize how important cryonics had become to us.] &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
                                       Logically, cryonics should be &lt;br /&gt;
considered a low tech way to reach high tech medicine, no more &lt;br /&gt;
exciting than iron lungs, or pacemakers.  Alcor, of course, is *not* a &lt;br /&gt;
religion; it doesn&amp;#039;t aspire even to be a cult.  However, the mental &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;agents&amp;quot; the cryonics idea constructs in people&amp;#039;s minds have the same &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;deflect or modify thoughts about death&amp;quot; effect as some of the mental &lt;br /&gt;
agents most religious memes build. The cryonics memes seem to &amp;quot;fit&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt;
into the &amp;quot;mental space&amp;quot; in people that is often occupied by a &lt;br /&gt;
religion.  As a result people class it as one, or something closely &lt;br /&gt;
related.  Unfortunately, this is a hotly contested spot in the mind!  &lt;br /&gt;
Memes of this class usually include a submeme, &amp;quot;this is the only true &lt;br /&gt;
belief, listen to no others.&amp;quot;  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(Footnote.  Douglas Hoffstadter and one of us (Arel) prefers to look &lt;br /&gt;
at a meme as complex as a religion as &amp;quot;a scheme of memes,&amp;quot; that is, &lt;br /&gt;
evolutionary bound cooperating groups of memes similar to the way &lt;br /&gt;
mutually advantageous genes are sometimes grouped on cronosomes.  &lt;br /&gt;
Dawkins discussed the mutual propagation of the God/Hellfire memes in &lt;br /&gt;
the Selfish Gene.) &lt;br /&gt;
        &lt;br /&gt;
        Religious memes (including such beliefs as reincarnation) &lt;br /&gt;
build lasting, often lifelong, agents in human minds.  This part of &lt;br /&gt;
human minds where these agents are located seems to be particularly &lt;br /&gt;
resistant to change, &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[footnote  As an aside, there actually seems to be a very small chunk &lt;br /&gt;
of brain tissue that might be called a &amp;quot;religious stabilizing module.&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt;
In rare cases where this area was destroyed, the victims could change &lt;br /&gt;
what seemed to be deeply held religious beliefs several times a week!  &lt;br /&gt;
The reference to this is in The Social Brain by Michael Gazzaniga] &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
                                  perhaps because the &amp;quot;function&amp;quot; of &lt;br /&gt;
these memes is not much related to the way &amp;quot;this world&amp;quot; operates.  &lt;br /&gt;
That is, one belief in this category is about as good for you (and &lt;br /&gt;
your genes) as the next.  If this is the case, switching holds little &lt;br /&gt;
advantage, and the process of modifying anything close to this area &lt;br /&gt;
may be dangerous to mental stability. Cryonics (if it works) is very &lt;br /&gt;
much of an exception to the rule. &lt;br /&gt;
        &lt;br /&gt;
        On the other hand, the stability of religious beliefs may have &lt;br /&gt;
little to do with human survival.  It simply may be a characteristic &lt;br /&gt;
of the surviving (and therefore observable) religious memes. &lt;br /&gt;
        &lt;br /&gt;
        The difficulty of changing from one religion to another, or &lt;br /&gt;
adding cryonics to your meme set may be compounded by &amp;quot;censor agents&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt;
(as Minsky calls them) that keep deflecting your thoughts away from &lt;br /&gt;
thinking about anything to do with death.  As much as anything censor &lt;br /&gt;
agents may lie at the root of the remarkable degree of procrastination &lt;br /&gt;
that you often see in the cryonics signup process.  (The complexity of &lt;br /&gt;
the paperwork does not help either!) &lt;br /&gt;
        &lt;br /&gt;
        We wish we could use the memetic model to make specific &lt;br /&gt;
suggestions which would allow us all to go out and sign up the world, &lt;br /&gt;
or even to save our parents.  We can&amp;#039;t.  The best we can do is suggest &lt;br /&gt;
that since most of the mental environment in which the cryonic meme &lt;br /&gt;
may take root is determined by other memes, getting the word out about &lt;br /&gt;
related subjects may be critically important to the &amp;quot;selling&amp;quot; of &lt;br /&gt;
cryonics.  A person who knows about nanotechnology/cell repair &lt;br /&gt;
machines is much more likely to be infectable by the cryonics meme.  &lt;br /&gt;
So are the people who hold the computer viewpoint of minds and brains. &lt;br /&gt;
        &lt;br /&gt;
        Another possibility is that our friends or relatives may &lt;br /&gt;
eventually become more responsive.   They are likely to be among that &lt;br /&gt;
majority, &amp;quot;not the first by whom the new is tried, nor yet the last to &lt;br /&gt;
lay the old aside.&amp;quot; Frequent exposure to an idea lessens the &lt;br /&gt;
outrageousness of it. Cryonics is, after all, becoming more &lt;br /&gt;
respectable.   Being dismissed by &amp;quot;most scientists&amp;quot; as the newspaper &lt;br /&gt;
stories state is properly interpreted as being accepted by &amp;quot;some &lt;br /&gt;
scientists.&amp;quot; On the other hand, part of the fear factor about cryonics &lt;br /&gt;
is the possibility that it would *work*, and you would be revived all &lt;br /&gt;
alone in a future without friends. This may be a large part of the &lt;br /&gt;
problem of signing up our parents. Though we may respect them, the &lt;br /&gt;
world has changed so much over a single generation that it is hard to &lt;br /&gt;
have much in common with them. (And for that matter, it is hard to &lt;br /&gt;
have much in common with your children either!)  Perhaps we should get &lt;br /&gt;
our oldest signed up members (the ones I have met are *really* nice &lt;br /&gt;
people) to travel about and talk to our parents. &lt;br /&gt;
        &lt;br /&gt;
        The memetic model gives some insight into the difficulty the &lt;br /&gt;
idea of cryonics faces in a world of competing memes, but the picture &lt;br /&gt;
is far from bleak. While cryonics has grown slowly, the growth rate &lt;br /&gt;
has increased in the last few years. It would not surprise us for the &lt;br /&gt;
cryonics &amp;quot;movement&amp;quot; to experience spectacular growth (Alcor has been &lt;br /&gt;
growing at about 30% per year) over the next decade or two, especially &lt;br /&gt;
if noticeable progress is made on our *real* goal, life extension &lt;br /&gt;
which eventually eliminate the need for cryonic suspension.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/pre&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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