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	==PREFACE==		==PREFACE==
	This is the transcript of the interview that I held with [[June Crain]] 1 in her home at 896 Catala Ave. SE Ocean Shores, WA 98569 on June 27, 1997. At the time of this interview June was 72 years old and she had outlived two husbands and survived two bouts with cancer.		This is the transcript of the interview that I held with [[June Crain]] 1 in her home at 896 Catala Ave. SE Ocean Shores, WA 98569 on June 27, 1997. At the time of this interview June was 72 years old and she had outlived two husbands and survived two bouts with cancer.

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	==PREFACE==		==PREFACE==
	This is the transcript of the interview that I held with [[June Crain]] 1 in her home at 896 Catala Ave. SE Ocean Shores, WA 98569 on June 27, 1997. At the time of this interview June was 72 years old and she had outlived two husbands and survived two bouts with cancer.		This is the transcript of the interview that I held with [[June Crain]] 1 in her home at 896 Catala Ave. SE Ocean Shores, WA 98569 on June 27, 1997. At the time of this interview June was 72 years old and she had outlived two husbands and survived two bouts with cancer.

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	\| 24 \|\| Air Accident Report on “Flying Disc” (16 Jul 47) \|\| Signature of Lt. Gen. Nathan Twining of the Air Materiel Command, [[Wright-Patterson Air Force Base\|Wright Field]], Ohio. This establishes a link between Crash Retrieval investigations in New Mexico and June Crain’s place of employment. Many of June’s papers specifically show the same designation of “HQ, AMC, [[Wright-Patterson Air Force Base\|Wright Field]].”		\| 24 \|\| Air Accident Report on “Flying Disc” (16 Jul 47) \|\| Signature of Lt. Gen. Nathan Twining of the Air Materiel Command, [[Wright-Patterson Air Force Base\|Wright Field]], Ohio. This establishes a link between Crash Retrieval investigations in New Mexico and June Crain’s place of employment. Many of June’s papers specifically show the same designation of “HQ, AMC, [[Wright-Patterson Air Force Base\|Wright Field]].”
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	\| 25 \|\| Ibid. \|\| Dr. Theodore von Karman is mentioned in paragraph 1. as head of the Army Air Forces Scientific Advisory Board created by “Hap” Arnold (See Transcript page 27.)		\| 25 \|\| Ibid. \|\| [[Theodore von Karman (Doctor)\|Dr. Theodore von Karman]] is mentioned in paragraph 1. as head of the Army Air Forces Scientific Advisory Board created by “Hap” Arnold (See Transcript page 27.)
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	\| 25 \|\| Ibid. \|\| “Remains of possible second disc” mentioned which may relate to June’s assertion that there were at least three crashes of UFO’s investigated.		\| 25 \|\| Ibid. \|\| “Remains of possible second disc” mentioned which may relate to June’s assertion that there were at least three crashes of UFO’s investigated.
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	\| 26 \|\| Ibid. \|\| Dr. [[Wernher von Braun]] is mentioned along with Dr. Theodore von Karman in paragraph (3). This may relate to June’s assertion that she took dictation from Dr. [[Wernher von Braun\|von Braun]] (See Transcript page 6.)		\| 26 \|\| Ibid. \|\| Dr. [[Wernher von Braun]] is mentioned along with [[Theodore von Karman (Doctor)\|Dr. Theodore von Karman]] in paragraph (3). This may relate to June’s assertion that she took dictation from Dr. [[Wernher von Braun\|von Braun]] (See Transcript page 6.)
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	\| 35 \|\| INTERPLANETARY PHENOMENON UNIT SURVEY \|\| Two crash sites are described, LZ-1 and LZ-2. Further evidence of three or more Crash Retrieval Events.		\| 35 \|\| INTERPLANETARY PHENOMENON UNIT SURVEY \|\| Two crash sites are described, LZ-1 and LZ-2. Further evidence of three or more Crash Retrieval Events.
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	\| 37 \|\| Ibid. \|\| Note the “select scientists” mentioned as Project PAPERCLIP specialists: [[Wernher von Braun]] (Fort Bliss), Dr. Ernst Steinhoff (AMC), and Hubertus (Aeromedical Lab, Randolph Field).		\| 37 \|\| Ibid. \|\| Note the “select scientists” mentioned as [[Operation Paperclip\|Project PAPERCLIP]] specialists: [[Wernher von Braun]] (Fort Bliss), [[Ernst Steinhoff (Doctor)\|Dr. Ernst Steinhoff]] (AMC), and Hubertus (Aeromedical Lab, Randolph Field).
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	\| 37 \|\| Ibid. \|\| Paragraph 7. Refers to bodies and structural debris taken to AMC, [[Wright-Patterson Air Force Base\|Wright Field]].		\| 37 \|\| Ibid. \|\| Paragraph 7. Refers to bodies and structural debris taken to AMC, [[Wright-Patterson Air Force Base\|Wright Field]].
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	\| 37 \|\| Ibid. \|\| Paragraph 8. Directly describes Lt. Gen. Nathan Twining inspecting the sites and debris and then returning to [[Wright-Patterson Air Force Base\|Wright Field]].		\| 37 \|\| Ibid. \|\| Paragraph 8. Directly describes [[Nathan Twining (Military)\|Lt. Gen. Nathan Twining]] inspecting the sites and debris and then returning to [[Wright-Patterson Air Force Base\|Wright Field]].
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	\| 42 \|\| MEMORANDUM FOR THE MILITARY<br> ASSESSMENT OF THE JOINT <br>INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE \|\| 19 SEP 1947 Paragraph 4. Mentions scientists at the Air Forces Research and Development Center, [[Wright-Patterson Air Force Base\|Wright Field]], are utilizing their test facilities and a new biological laboratory to study recovered “Disc-like Aircraft.” June made reference to the Aero-Med lab as being the high-security location where the bodies were taken. (See Transcript page 28.)		\| 42 \|\| MEMORANDUM FOR THE MILITARY<br> ASSESSMENT OF THE JOINT <br>INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE \|\| 19 SEP 1947 Paragraph 4. Mentions scientists at the Air Forces Research and Development Center, [[Wright-Patterson Air Force Base\|Wright Field]], are utilizing their test facilities and a new biological laboratory to study recovered “Disc-like Aircraft.” June made reference to the Aero-Med lab as being the high-security location where the bodies were taken. (See Transcript page 28.)
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	\| 67 \|\| PROJECT WHITE HOT INTELLIGENCE ESTIMATE <br>PART I. \|\| While describing LZ-1, reference is made to the opinion of AMC that the craft was made “to operate outside of the earth’s atmosphere.”		\| 67 \|\| {{Project White Hot\|PROJECT WHITE HOT]] INTELLIGENCE ESTIMATE <br>PART I. \|\| While describing LZ-1, reference is made to the opinion of AMC that the craft was made “to operate outside of the earth’s atmosphere.”
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	\| 75 \|\| Ibid. PART III. \|\| AMC is the first of 11 research organizations listed as having arrived at the conclusion that the crash artifacts are of ET origin.		\| 75 \|\| Ibid. PART III. \|\| AMC is the first of 11 research organizations listed as having arrived at the conclusion that the crash artifacts are of ET origin.

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	\| 25 \|\| Ibid. \|\| “Remains of possible second disc” mentioned which may relate to June’s assertion that there were at least three crashes of UFO’s investigated.		\| 25 \|\| Ibid. \|\| “Remains of possible second disc” mentioned which may relate to June’s assertion that there were at least three crashes of UFO’s investigated.
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	\| 26 \|\| Ibid. \|\| Dr. Wernher von Braun is mentioned along with Dr. Theodore von Karman in paragraph (3). This may relate to June’s assertion that she took dictation from Dr. von Braun (See Transcript page 6.)		\| 26 \|\| Ibid. \|\| Dr. [[Wernher von Braun]] is mentioned along with Dr. Theodore von Karman in paragraph (3). This may relate to June’s assertion that she took dictation from Dr. [[Wernher von Braun\|von Braun]] (See Transcript page 6.)
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	\| 35 \|\| INTERPLANETARY PHENOMENON UNIT SURVEY \|\| Two crash sites are described, LZ-1 and LZ-2. Further evidence of three or more Crash Retrieval Events.		\| 35 \|\| INTERPLANETARY PHENOMENON UNIT SURVEY \|\| Two crash sites are described, LZ-1 and LZ-2. Further evidence of three or more Crash Retrieval Events.
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	\| 37 \|\| Ibid. \|\| Note the “select scientists” mentioned as Project PAPERCLIP specialists: Wernher von Braun (Fort Bliss), Dr. Ernst Steinhoff (AMC), and Hubertus (Aeromedical Lab, Randolph Field).		\| 37 \|\| Ibid. \|\| Note the “select scientists” mentioned as Project PAPERCLIP specialists: [[Wernher von Braun]] (Fort Bliss), Dr. Ernst Steinhoff (AMC), and Hubertus (Aeromedical Lab, Randolph Field).
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	\| 37 \|\| Ibid. \|\| Paragraph 7. Refers to bodies and structural debris taken to AMC, [[Wright-Patterson Air Force Base\|Wright Field]].		\| 37 \|\| Ibid. \|\| Paragraph 7. Refers to bodies and structural debris taken to AMC, [[Wright-Patterson Air Force Base\|Wright Field]].
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	'''Jim:''' Okay.		'''Jim:''' Okay.

	'''Int:''' And there were probably other ones that I should tell you about but I can’t recall them. In ‘51 this is where I got angry when I read this newspaper thing they talked about all these dummies they dropped and everything. In ‘51 they weren’t working about on personnel chutes, they were working on the Aerobee rocket that’s when we was working on the beginning of the space program and that is when I took the dictation to start this space program I took it from Dr. Wernher von Braun.8 I spent three (3) hours interviewing him. I went back to the lab. I wrote the report and this officer, a lieutenant colonel came to pick me up because they gave the job to me because none of the other girls would do it. They didn’t have the speed to take dictation and they were afraid with his German accent they may not understand the words, highly technical, highly technical words, and I had the intelligence to do it and so they said you are going to do it. And so I went and took the dictation for three (3) hours and asking certain questions to keep everything clear. Went back to the lab and the officer told me “ you can’t go home; you are going to finish this before you go home tonight. Cause it is highly sensitive.” And so I stayed there until three (3) in the morning writing that up and he didn’t. And the thing the biggest thing the most rewarding words I’ve ever had said in my life is, when I was through doing to job was he said “June, if we get this $600.000 and this space program, starts you will have had your moment in history.” And to me, I have never forgotten that!		'''Int:''' And there were probably other ones that I should tell you about but I can’t recall them. In ‘51 this is where I got angry when I read this newspaper thing they talked about all these dummies they dropped and everything. In ‘51 they weren’t working about on personnel chutes, they were working on the Aerobee rocket that’s when we was working on the beginning of the space program and that is when I took the dictation to start this space program I took it from Dr. [[Wernher von Braun]].8 I spent three (3) hours interviewing him. I went back to the lab. I wrote the report and this officer, a lieutenant colonel came to pick me up because they gave the job to me because none of the other girls would do it. They didn’t have the speed to take dictation and they were afraid with his German accent they may not understand the words, highly technical, highly technical words, and I had the intelligence to do it and so they said you are going to do it. And so I went and took the dictation for three (3) hours and asking certain questions to keep everything clear. Went back to the lab and the officer told me “ you can’t go home; you are going to finish this before you go home tonight. Cause it is highly sensitive.” And so I stayed there until three (3) in the morning writing that up and he didn’t. And the thing the biggest thing the most rewarding words I’ve ever had said in my life is, when I was through doing to job was he said “June, if we get this $600.000 and this space program, starts you will have had your moment in history.” And to me, I have never forgotten that!

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	\| '''''NOTE 8:''''' This is an important and perplexing statement by June. I have been unable thus far to prove or disprove. She told me that she could find no such reference in a biography titled Wernher von Braun by Erik Bergaust, National Space Institute, Washington, DC, 1976. I could not find any reference either in this or other biographies. June gave me an obituary from the Oregonian from June 18, 1977; Dr. von Braun passed away on June 16, 1977. She wrote question marks next to the details of his residence and assignments. When she gave me the article she pointed out that there was no mention that he had ever been at WPAFB, but she was adamant she had taken dictation from him for an important report related to obtaining funding for rocket research.		\| '''''NOTE 8:''''' This is an important and perplexing statement by June. I have been unable thus far to prove or disprove. She told me that she could find no such reference in a biography titled [[Wernher von Braun]] by Erik Bergaust, National Space Institute, Washington, DC, 1976. I could not find any reference either in this or other biographies. June gave me an obituary from the Oregonian from June 18, 1977; Dr. [[Wernher von Braun\|von Braun]] passed away on June 16, 1977. She wrote question marks next to the details of his residence and assignments. When she gave me the article she pointed out that there was no mention that he had ever been at WPAFB, but she was adamant she had taken dictation from him for an important report related to obtaining funding for rocket research.
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	'''Jim:''' Can I just go over one point? Now when you say Dr ~~Von~~ Braun you are referring to Dr. Wernher von Braun...		'''Jim:''' Can I just go over one point? Now when you say Dr [[Wernher von Braun\|von Braun]] you are referring to Dr. [[Wernher von Braun]]...

	'''Int:''' Right...		'''Int:''' Right...
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	'''Int:''' See that’s, that’s a missile, a ballistic missile. The Aerobee rocket is the one that we		'''Int:''' See that’s, that’s a missile, a ballistic missile. The Aerobee rocket is the one that we
	stole. It was the one von Braun was gettin together to drop on Berlin. I mean on Berlin... '''Jim:''' On London?		stole. It was the one [[Wernher von Braun\|von Braun]] was gettin together to drop on Berlin. I mean on Berlin... '''Jim:''' On London?

	'''Int:''' On London, and we got and I was readin something said we had never had a, we never got an Aerobee rocket, well they’re crazy then hell. We had one right there. Right there at [[Wright-Patterson Air Force Base]], it was laying on the ground out there. And uh so uh we had that rocket and so we then took it out to White Sands, New Mexico and we were testing to go the moon with it, is what we were trying to do. And we were recovering it with parachutes and but in the beginning when the parachutes came down with the men with the rocket, you know the men were in this thing, then we killed them. I mean, we didn’t know how to do it. And that’s when they decided we’d drop them in the water. Remember when they were dropped in the...		'''Int:''' On London, and we got and I was readin something said we had never had a, we never got an Aerobee rocket, well they’re crazy then hell. We had one right there. Right there at [[Wright-Patterson Air Force Base]], it was laying on the ground out there. And uh so uh we had that rocket and so we then took it out to White Sands, New Mexico and we were testing to go the moon with it, is what we were trying to do. And we were recovering it with parachutes and but in the beginning when the parachutes came down with the men with the rocket, you know the men were in this thing, then we killed them. I mean, we didn’t know how to do it. And that’s when they decided we’d drop them in the water. Remember when they were dropped in the...
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	'''Int:''' Yes. That’s what they fully believed it. And they also there was even some of them said we have them among us. And they have our shape and form and look just like ordinary people.		'''Int:''' Yes. That’s what they fully believed it. And they also there was even some of them said we have them among us. And they have our shape and form and look just like ordinary people.

	'''Jim:''' Did you ever hear uh, I don’t know, I don’t know the time that you spent with uh, you mentioned Dr. von Braun.25		'''Jim:''' Did you ever hear uh, I don’t know, I don’t know the time that you spent with uh, you mentioned Dr. [[Wernher von Braun\|von Braun]].25

	'''Int:''' Yeah.		'''Int:''' Yeah.
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	'''Jim:''' Okay.		'''Jim:''' Okay.

	'''Int:''' I’d never seen him with side arms either I only saw him in his uniform. He had side arms on. We walked down this alley into another lab that was strictly off limits to anybody. And went down there and here was a man on each side of this these double doors with machine guns. And then we went through and went into Dr. von ~~Braun’s~~ laboratory, and so that was my only contact with him.		'''Int:''' I’d never seen him with side arms either I only saw him in his uniform. He had side arms on. We walked down this alley into another lab that was strictly off limits to anybody. And went down there and here was a man on each side of this these double doors with machine guns. And then we went through and went into Dr. [[Wernher von Braun\|von Braun]]’s laboratory, and so that was my only contact with him.

	'''Jim:''' And just to go over...		'''Jim:''' And just to go over...

	25 If June was confabulating, this would have been an excellent place for her to embellish her account of her time with Dr. Wernher von Braun.		25 If June was confabulating, this would have been an excellent place for her to embellish her account of her time with Dr. [[Wernher von Braun]].

	'''Int:''' And we was very cold, he was a cold son of a bitch. And another thing none other than me the and all the Germans hated his liven guts. They hated that man.		'''Int:''' And we was very cold, he was a cold son of a bitch. And another thing none other than me the and all the Germans hated his liven guts. They hated that man.

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	\| 37 \|\| Ibid. \|\| Paragraph 8. Directly describes Lt. Gen. Nathan Twining inspecting the sites and debris and then returning to [[Wright-Patterson Air Force Base\|Wright Field]].		\| 37 \|\| Ibid. \|\| Paragraph 8. Directly describes Lt. Gen. Nathan Twining inspecting the sites and debris and then returning to [[Wright-Patterson Air Force Base\|Wright Field]].
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	\| 42 \|\| MEMORANDUM FOR THE MILITARY<br< ASSESSMENT OF THE JOINT <br>INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE \|\| 19 SEP 1947 Paragraph 4. Mentions scientists at the Air Forces Research and Development Center, [[Wright-Patterson Air Force Base\|Wright Field]], are utilizing their test facilities and a new biological laboratory to study recovered “Disc-like Aircraft.” June made reference to the Aero-Med lab as being the high-security location where the bodies were taken. (See Transcript page 28.)		\| 42 \|\| MEMORANDUM FOR THE MILITARY<br> ASSESSMENT OF THE JOINT <br>INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE \|\| 19 SEP 1947 Paragraph 4. Mentions scientists at the Air Forces Research and Development Center, [[Wright-Patterson Air Force Base\|Wright Field]], are utilizing their test facilities and a new biological laboratory to study recovered “Disc-like Aircraft.” June made reference to the Aero-Med lab as being the high-security location where the bodies were taken. (See Transcript page 28.)
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	\| 67 \|\| PROJECT WHITE HOT INTELLIGENCE ESTIMATE <br>PART I. \|\| While describing LZ-1, reference is made to the opinion of AMC that the craft was made “to operate outside of the earth’s atmosphere.”		\| 67 \|\| PROJECT WHITE HOT INTELLIGENCE ESTIMATE <br>PART I. \|\| While describing LZ-1, reference is made to the opinion of AMC that the craft was made “to operate outside of the earth’s atmosphere.”

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	'''Int:''' Yeah.		'''Int:''' Yeah.

	10 When June made a suggestion for improved security to guard the combinations of safes used for the storage of classified documents, the stationery for the letter of commendation was from the WADC.		{\| class="wikitable"
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	'''Jim:''' Or contacts with something that didn’t come from the earth. Would they have been privy to that kind of information?		'''Jim:''' Or contacts with something that didn’t come from the earth. Would they have been privy to that kind of information?
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	'''Int:''' They frequently saw them and then they told me, and I’m positive that there was three (3) crashes. That was actually told me about three (3) different crashes.12		'''Int:''' They frequently saw them and then they told me, and I’m positive that there was three (3) crashes. That was actually told me about three (3) different crashes.12

	11 This is another of those areas where I wish that June was available for another interview, for the sake of clarifying dates in relation to her descriptions of events.		{\| class="wikitable"
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			\| '''''NOTE 11:''''' This is another of those areas where I wish that June was available for another interview, for the sake of clarifying dates in relation to her descriptions of events.
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			\| '''''NOTE 12:''''' Perhaps the Three Crashes in question are : The 1941 crash in Missouri, the 1947 crash(es) in New Mexico, and the 1950 crash in the El Indio-Guerrero area. She also commented on other occasions that “there may have been more than three.”
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	12 Perhaps the Three Crashes in question are : The 1941 crash in Missouri, the 1947 crash(es) in New Mexico, and the 1950 crash in the El Indio-Guerrero area. She also commented on other occasions that “there may have been more than three.”

	'''Jim:''' So as of 1952 they knew about three (3) crashes?		'''Jim:''' So as of 1952 they knew about three (3) crashes?
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	'''Jim:''' A transport, a military transport?		'''Jim:''' A transport, a military transport?

	13 On April 18, 1990 (over seven years before this interview was taped!) June sent a letter to Kevin Randle. She also sent a wedding photograph which has the Master Sergeant named Clarence whose last name she was unable to remember. In his book co-authored with Donald Schmitt, THE TRUTH ABOUT THE UFO CRASH AT ROSWELL, June is identified under a pseudonym, Sarah Holcomb, on page 64. Not only did she not change her story over the course of growing seven years older and surviving serious illness, in my conversations with her, I attempted to determine (albeit in a kind way) if she would grossly deviate or exaggerate; she would do neither.		{\| class="wikitable"
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			\| '''''NOTE 13:''''' On April 18, 1990 (over seven years before this interview was taped!) June sent a letter to Kevin Randle. She also sent a wedding photograph which has the Master Sergeant named Clarence whose last name she was unable to remember. In his book co-authored with Donald Schmitt, THE TRUTH ABOUT THE UFO CRASH AT ROSWELL, June is identified under a pseudonym, Sarah Holcomb, on page 64. Not only did she not change her story over the course of growing seven years older and surviving serious illness, in my conversations with her, I attempted to determine (albeit in a kind way) if she would grossly deviate or exaggerate; she would do neither.
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	'''Int:''' Yeah, yeah.		'''Int:''' Yeah, yeah.

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	'''Int:''' And there were probably other ones that I should tell you about but I can’t recall them. In ‘51 this is where I got angry when I read this newspaper thing they talked about all these dummies they dropped and everything. In ‘51 they weren’t working about on personnel chutes, they were working on the Aerobee rocket that’s when we was working on the beginning of the space program and that is when I took the dictation to start this space program I took it from Dr. Wernher von Braun.8 I spent three (3) hours interviewing him. I went back to the lab. I wrote the report and this officer, a lieutenant colonel came to pick me up because they gave the job to me because none of the other		'''Int:''' And there were probably other ones that I should tell you about but I can’t recall them. In ‘51 this is where I got angry when I read this newspaper thing they talked about all these dummies they dropped and everything. In ‘51 they weren’t working about on personnel chutes, they were working on the Aerobee rocket that’s when we was working on the beginning of the space program and that is when I took the dictation to start this space program I took it from Dr. Wernher von Braun.8 I spent three (3) hours interviewing him. I went back to the lab. I wrote the report and this officer, a lieutenant colonel came to pick me up because they gave the job to me because none of the other girls would do it. They didn’t have the speed to take dictation and they were afraid with his German accent they may not understand the words, highly technical, highly technical words, and I had the intelligence to do it and so they said you are going to do it. And so I went and took the dictation for three (3) hours and asking certain questions to keep everything clear. Went back to the lab and the officer told me “ you can’t go home; you are going to finish this before you go home tonight. Cause it is highly sensitive.” And so I stayed there until three (3) in the morning writing that up and he didn’t. And the thing the biggest thing the most rewarding words I’ve ever had said in my life is, when I was through doing to job was he said “June, if we get this $600.000 and this space program, starts you will have had your moment in history.” And to me, I have never forgotten that!

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	8 This is an important and perplexing statement by June. I have been unable thus far to prove or disprove. She told me that she could find no such reference in a biography titled Wernher von Braun by Erik Bergaust, National Space Institute, Washington, DC, 1976. I could not find any reference either in this or other biographies. June gave me an obituary from the Oregonian from June 18, 1977; Dr. von Braun passed away on June 16, 1977. She wrote question marks next to the details of his residence and assignments. When she gave me the article she pointed out that there was no mention that he had ever been at WPAFB, but she was adamant she had taken dictation from him for an important report related to obtaining funding for rocket research.
	girls would do it. They didn’t have the speed to take dictation and they were afraid with his German accent they may not understand the words, highly technical, highly technical words, and I had the intelligence to do it and so they said you are going to do it. And so I went and took the dictation for three (3) hours and asking certain questions to keep everything clear. Went back to the lab and the officer told me “ you can’t go home; you are going to finish this before you go home tonight. Cause it is highly sensitive.” And so I stayed there until three (3) in the morning writing that up and he didn’t. And the thing the biggest thing the most rewarding words I’ve ever had said in my life is, when I was through doing to job was he said “June, if we get this $600.000 and this space program, starts you will have had your moment in history.” And to me, I have never forgotten that!

	'''Jim:''' Can I just go over one point? Now when you say Dr Von Braun you are referring to Dr. Wernher von Braun...		'''Jim:''' Can I just go over one point? Now when you say Dr Von Braun you are referring to Dr. Wernher von Braun...
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	'''Int:''' There was six of them the original ones were six they brought them all to Wright-		'''Int:''' There was six of them the original ones were six they brought them all to [[Wright-Patterson Air Force Base]] and I personally as a kid watched every one fall out of the sky. And one of them burnt up and I heard the men screaming inside just it burnt up. When it came down on its belly it locked the doors and they couldn’t get out they were just screaming in there. And that I would say it was less than well less than from here to the club down here. And to think that somebody could scream that loud you wouldn’t think, of course you’re a cop you know how sound goes, but uh it was terrible. They were our pilots, and that’s why the Boeing bomber never was excepted because they all crashed they were well they were a very unwieldy airplane. But they never got off, hardly got off the ground. They just went off and the wings would fall of them or something would happen to them. I mean one day I was out in the back and they took off, cause we knew when they were going to take off see as kids we they we had friends that worked their you know we knew when they were going to be testing. And so we always watched for that because they were so huge in that in those days. And uh that one day that one plane was no farther from here to three hundred (300) feet from me when that wing fell off. He took off like this there was a little rise there was a little hill he went up like this and started raising it and that wing went boom it just fell off.
	Patterson Air Force Base and I personally as a kid watched every one fall out of the sky.
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	9 In this instance, June’s recollection was accurate. I am grateful to James Westwood, who located and copied what would be termed by most people, a very obscure and technical research paper titled “High- Altitude Parachute Recovery” by T. W. Knacke, published as part of symposium proceedings from PHYSICS and MEDICINE of the Upper Atmosphere–A Study of the Aeropause, University of New Mexico Press, Albuquerque 1952, pgs. 447-456. Further, in the bibliography for this paper, her refers to two other technical papers that he wrote about parachutes that are described as Air Material Command Memorandum Reports.

	And one of them burnt up and I heard the men screaming inside just it burnt up. When it came down on its belly it locked the doors and they couldn’t get out they were just screaming in there. And that I would say it was less than well less than from here to the club down here. And to think that somebody could scream that loud you wouldn’t think, of course you’re a cop you know how sound goes, but uh it was terrible. They were our pilots, and that’s why the Boeing bomber never was excepted because they all crashed they were well they were a very unwieldy airplane. But they never got off, hardly got off the ground. They just went off and the wings would fall of them or something would happen to them. I mean one day I was out in the back and they took off, cause we knew when they were going to take off see as kids we they we had friends that worked their you know we knew when they were going to be testing. And so we always watched for that because they were so huge in that in those days. And uh that one day that one plane was no farther from here to three hundred (300) feet from me when that wing fell off.
	~~He took off like this there was a little rise there was a little hill he went up like this and started raising it and that wing went boom it just fell off.~~

	'''Jim:''' Did they get out okay?		'''Jim:''' Did they get out okay?

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	\| '''''NOTE 3:''''' I did not include her name in this transcription at the time that it was completed because she was afraid of reprisals for violating her security oath. I have since obtained copies of her records from the National Archives and it turns out that one of the last documents she signed was a reminder to abide by her security oath.		\| '''''NOTE 3:''''' I did not include her name in this transcription at the time that it was completed because she was afraid of reprisals for violating her security oath. I have since obtained copies of her records from the National Archives and it turns out that one of the last documents she signed was a reminder to abide by her security oath.
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	'''Jim:''' Can I ask, D-4 dozer. Are you talking about dropping a bulldozer with a parachute?		'''Jim:''' Can I ask, D-4 dozer. Are you talking about dropping a bulldozer with a parachute?

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	~~'''''NOTE 7:''''' Early atmospheric sounding rocket.~~

	'''Int:''' Yeah, right.		'''Int:''' Yeah, right.

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	'''Jim:''' Both, both. Okay. So this is from [[Wright-Patterson Air Force Base]]. '''Int:''' Wright -Patterson Air Force Base Dayton, Ohio.		'''Jim:''' Both, both. Okay. So this is from [[Wright-Patterson Air Force Base]]. '''Int:''' Wright -Patterson Air Force Base Dayton, Ohio.
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	'''''NOTE 3:''''' I did not include her name in this transcription at the time that it was completed because she was afraid of reprisals for violating her security oath. I have since obtained copies of her records from the National Archives and it turns out that one of the last documents she signed was a reminder to abide by her security oath.

	'''''NOTE 4:'''''4 From her papers and those obtained from the National Archives, these dates are as follows: July 03, 1942 to June 30, 1943 — Resigned due to Pregnancy. May 13, 1948 to July 21, 1948 — Resigned due to Ill Health. March 08, 1951 to May 02, 1952 — Moved away, although June told me that her husband was jealous of her success and told her to resign. She was steadily promoted , starting as an Under Clerk-Typist and ending as a Clerk-Stenographer.
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	'''Jim:''' Both, both. Okay. So this is from [[Wright-Patterson Air Force Base]]. '''Int:''' Wright -Patterson Air Force Base Dayton, Ohio.		'''Jim:''' Both, both. Okay. So this is from [[Wright-Patterson Air Force Base]]. '''Int:''' Wright -Patterson Air Force Base Dayton, Ohio.

	3 I did not include her name in this transcription at the time that it was completed because she was afraid of reprisals for violating her security oath. I have since obtained copies of her records from the National Archives and it turns out that one of the last documents she signed was a reminder to abide by her security oath.		'''''NOTE 3:''''' I did not include her name in this transcription at the time that it was completed because she was afraid of reprisals for violating her security oath. I have since obtained copies of her records from the National Archives and it turns out that one of the last documents she signed was a reminder to abide by her security oath.

	4 From her papers and those obtained from the National Archives, these dates are as follows: July 03, 1942 to June 30, 1943 — Resigned due to Pregnancy. May 13, 1948 to July 21, 1948 — Resigned due to Ill Health. March 08, 1951 to May 02, 1952 — Moved away, although June told me that her husband was jealous of her success and told her to resign. She was steadily promoted , starting as an Under Clerk-Typist and ending as a Clerk-Stenographer.		'''''NOTE 4:'''''4 From her papers and those obtained from the National Archives, these dates are as follows: July 03, 1942 to June 30, 1943 — Resigned due to Pregnancy. May 13, 1948 to July 21, 1948 — Resigned due to Ill Health. March 08, 1951 to May 02, 1952 — Moved away, although June told me that her husband was jealous of her success and told her to resign. She was steadily promoted , starting as an Under Clerk-Typist and ending as a Clerk-Stenographer.
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	'''Jim:''' Can I ask, D-4 dozer. Are you talking about dropping a bulldozer with a parachute?		'''Jim:''' Can I ask, D-4 dozer. Are you talking about dropping a bulldozer with a parachute?

	5 Her records confirm a SECRET Clearance. I am not certain whether or not I received a complete copy of her file or not from the National Archives.		'''''NOTE 5:''''' Her records confirm a SECRET Clearance. I am not certain whether or not I received a complete copy of her file or not from the National Archives.

	6 Air Materiel Command (AMC) which appears frequently in personnel records and within the Majestic Documents.		'''''NOTE 6:''''' Air Materiel Command (AMC) which appears frequently in personnel records and within the Majestic Documents.

	7 Early atmospheric sounding rocket.		'''''NOTE 7:''''' Early atmospheric sounding rocket.

	'''Int:''' Yeah, right.		'''Int:''' Yeah, right.