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(9776) Mon 9 Nov 92 5:58p
By: Joseph Harris
To: All
Re: K-2 Validity: Re-post
St:
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RE-POSTED BY REQUEST

The Validity of the K-2 Report: Addendum 1 of 2
by Joseph Harris
CIS: 70714,3321

This is a problem with the K-2 Report that was so obvious, it
remained hidden until I printed it out and poured over it while at work.
(Nothing better to do.. :^) I started by hi-lighting all the dates
and times given in the Information Update portion of the report. Then
I started doodling like so...

8-10-92 2215 PDT: Staff #1 receives phone call.

Anyway, I made myself a little time-line of events, and 2 very obvious
errors showed up.

I'll quote only the pertinent data from the K-2 report so there is proof
of what they released.. the real clincher is the time-line that follows:

Remember.. we're looking at the sequence of events here:

INFORMATION UPDATE

Date: August 16, 1989
From: Staff # 1
Subject: Activity Reports concerning K-2
Comment from Staff # 1:
Date: August 10, 1989, Time: 2215 PDT.
At 2215 PDT, I received a phone call from Staff # 2
[text deleted]
I received the following information from Staff # 2 on August 14, 1989.
* * *
Report # 1: By Staff # 2:
Date: August 10, 1989, Time: 2212 PDT.
Location: Approximately 40 miles southwest of K-2.

It remained stopped for approximately 15 seconds, then
[text deleted]
The sighting lasted approximately 45 seconds. There
[text deleted]
Within 10 minutes, after the object left the area,
[text deleted]
towards the North. Four minutes later, the fighters
[text deleted]
* * *
[report #3 and #4 deleted, reports from Staff 2 about forgetting his
camera... yeah right.]
Memo
August 12, 1989
From Staff # 1
To: Staff # 2
Our contacts in the Air Force verify that on the night
of August 10, 1989, at the time indicated in Report # 1
of that date, that eight F-4's, scrambled from Beale AFB,
[text deleted]
* * *

Time Line:

Aug 10 92: 2212 PDT Staff # 2 Object sighting begins. [Report #1]
Aug 10 92: 2215 PDT Staff # 1 receives phone call.

This is the first major error. According to the text of Report #1, the
sighting lasted 45 seconds, then 10 minutes later the F-4s show up, and
4 minutes after that the F-4s return. A total event time of 14m 45s.
Yet Staff #2 called Staff #1 only 3 minutes after the initial sighting.
This in and of itself proves nothing, but becomes MUCH more relevant to
the next major error.

Aug 12 89: Staff #1 verifies AF activity as stated in Report # 1.
Aug 14 89: Staff #1 RECEIVES Report # 1
Aug 16 89: Staff #1 Begins Information Update.

Do you see the error? I'll let you re-read the portion of the Aug 12
statement...

Our contacts in the Air Force verify that on the night
of August 10, 1989, at the time indicated in Report # 1
of that date, that eight F-4's, scrambled from Beale AFB,

HOW COULD HE VERIFY DATES AND TIMES IN A REPORT HE WOULDN'T RECIEVE
FOR TWO MORE DAYS???

Here's the line from Staff #1:

I received the following information from Staff # 2 on August 14, 1989.
* * *
Report # 1: By Staff # 2:
Date: August 10, 1989, Time: 2212 PDT.

Now is where the first error becomes important. If the time was
but 3 minutes between the start of the sighting, and the phone call
to Staff #1, then Staff #1 had NO WAY OF KNOWING ABOUT THE JETS FROM
THE PHONE CALL. The jets didn't show for 10 minutes, remember? There
was a swift conversation, and then no further phone communication, since
they were worried about wire taps. I doubt that the Phoenix Project will
be able to claim that this was a simple typo, as all the rest of the
memos and comments follow a very precise pattern. They attempted to show
us that the Phoenix Project members are scientific, and detail oriented.
All they succeeded in doing was putting holes in their report one could
drive a truck through.

There is another curiosity in the K-2 Report, but that will be posted
in a second message, as this one is long enough.

Conclusion:

Staff # 1 directly referanced a document that by their own report he
would not receive for 2 more days. This is a glaring error, and one that
would not have happened if the report were anything but a work of pure
fiction.

Joe.

... The Truth can not be dis-credited.
--- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10

--- MsgToss 2.0b
* Origin: Reno International BBS Reno NV (702)826-2337 (1:213/790)

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(9778) Mon 9 Nov 92 6:27p
By: Joseph Harris
To: Jack Mathias
Re: Ufo's
St: 9535<>9790
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-=> Quoting Jack Mathias to Joseph Harris <=-

JM> Re: Ufo's From Joseph Harris To Mark Butler
JM> 11-07-92 07:08
-=> Quoting Mark Butler to John Hicks <=-

JH> John Lear released the Krill docs, and then waited to see what the
JH> research community would do with them. After he told everyone that
JH> the Krill docs were "made-up" as a test, Lear lost a lot of
JH> credibility, and I think it also cost him his access to several nets.
JM> .....

JM> Are you certain of this, Joseph or are these your opinion. It is not
JM> what John Lear told me and I have the message on file.
JM> .....

From what I've read in here, and in documents I have, Lear supposedly
was banned from ParaNet. (I -think- not sure on this one...)

JH> Cooper lost his credibility because of the Krill docs. In several of
JH> his statements and stories, he directly referanced the Krill papers as
JH> gov't docs he'd seen years ago. Then Lear dropped the hammer on him by
JH> revealing that he and Grace had made up those docs Cooper was claiming
JH> to have seen while in the Navy...
JM> .....
JM> Lear did tell Cooper that he and Grace drafted the papers and that he,
JM> Cooper was lying when he said that he had seen them while in the Navy.
JM> But John Lear or John Grace never claimed the papers were fake.

JM> Its time that you start checking your sources a bit better.

I don't need to check my sources better. You need to get the same
sources I have. I have over 800 documents, with maybe 50 devoted
to the spewings of Cooper and Lear... the vast consensus is that
neither of these men are credible researchers.

JH> Disinformation specialists: M.W.Cooper, Phoenix Project (IMO)..
JM> ....
JM> Again, your opinion as stated. Still haven't seen enough proof though.

Never said it was anything -but- my own opinion. And unfortunatly for the
Phoenix Project, an opinion I CAN back up with enough data to throw
quite a bit of doubt on your organization's credibility. As far as I'm
concerned, the Phoenix Project is on life-support right now, and I've got
my hand wrapped around the plug...

And they still haven't responded to the obvious errors in the
Information Update portion of the report... (look for them posted
to ALL in this mail packet... it's a re-post)

JH> Birdcage Liner: Phoenix Liberator, (Hattoon<sp>) channelers,
JH> Strieber...
JM> .....
JM> Gee, I too, agree,...

Then you obviously are not aware that the current mastermind of Advent
Publishing, the Phoenix Project's publisher, is one Richard Miller.

Name ring a bell? It should, he's the original Hattoon<sp> channeler!

JM> ... Open mouth, insert foot, echo internationally.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Couldn't have said it better myself.... :-)

Joe.

... The Truth can not be dis-credited.
--- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10

--- MsgToss 2.0b
* Origin: Reno International BBS Reno NV (702)826-2337 (1:213/790)

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