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                           UFO EVIDENCE VS. Carl Sagan

               I watched all of Dr. Carl Sagan's updated "Cosmos"
          programs on PBS during summer 1991.  In one of them, he STILL
          maintains that there is no physical evidence for UFO
          Spacecraft, "just stories".

               I should think that by now he would have heard about the
          Roswell Incident in which UFO WRECKAGE and ALIEN BODIES were
          found on a ranch (in New Mexico, I think), gathered up by the
          U.S. military, and hidden away in an Air Force hanger
          somewhere.  The wreckage included materials NOT KNOWN on
          Earth, and some of it even had ALIEN SYMBOLS written on it.
          All of this was witnessed by many People, both civilian and
          military.  A couple of years ago, the TV program "Unsolved
          Mysteries" showed an excellent segment about the incident.

               The Roswell Incident illustrates a serious problem here.
          Whenever there IS physical evidence of a UFO Spacecraft, the
          military always confiscates it, using "national security" as
          an excuse, and then ACTS LIKE THE MAFIA toward the finders
          and other witnesses by THREATENING them if they don't keep
          silent!  (They did it to the rancher in the Roswell
          Incident.)

               I wonder if Carl Sagan has been pressured by the
          government into continuing to make negative public statements
          about UFO's.  It's too bad that so many people accept his
          pronouncements without question.  He may very well be another
          case of THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND.

               This is supposed to be a FREE country.  FREEDOM OF
          SPEECH is guaranteed by the highest law of the land.  The
          government (and its military) is supposed to be of, by, and
          for The People, NOT the other way around.  People need to
          know THE TRUTH about EVERYTHING in order to intelligently
          participate in the democratic process.  It is an ORGANIZED
          CRIME for the government to withhold or suppress information
          and physical evidence of UFO's from us.


               UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this
          IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED.


                                   Robert E. McElwaine
                                   B.S., Physics and Astronomy, UW-EC


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(7413)  Wed 17 Mar 93  8:42p
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Found this while looking through Dan Brown's list the other day..in light
of the recent Carl Sagan 'Parade Magazine' article and having just
read Vince Johnson's HUFON post, I thought it appropo to post this
as a perspective piece. This comes from 1987 and is from Rick Dell'aquilla.

Courtesy of "Gates of Delirium" BBS

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               Captured from CLEVELAND FREENET, October 10, 1987
              OVERVIEW AND REWRITE OF PREVIOUS UFO RELATED UPLOADS
                              [Rick Dell'aquilla]

              Astronomer Dr. Carl Sagan, the acknowledged guru of
            professional UFO "skeptics", has been quoted as saying,
        "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."  Another
          of the better known of these professional UFO skeptics, Phil
            Klass, has admitted the possibility of intelligent life
          elsewhere than planet Earth, although he finds no convincing
          evidence that UFO phenomena indicate visitation to Earth by
                              alien intelligence.
            In his book, COSMOS, Dr. Sagan postulates a formula that
         suggests that many, perhaps most, stars have planets, and that
        the number of potentialy technologically advanced civilizations
            in the Milky Way galaxy can be estimated by the formula:

                     N* X fp X ne X f1 X fi X fe X fL = N,


    Where:

    N* is the number of stars in our galaxy (about 400 billion)
    fp is the fraction of stars with planetary systems (about 1/3)
    ne is the number of planets per system suitable for life (2)
    f1 is the fraction of the suitable planets on which
       life actually arises (about 1/3)
    fi is the fraction of inhabited planets on which intelligence
       evolved and
    fe the fraction of inhabited planets on which a technical
       civilization developed (fi X fe = 1/100)  and
    fL is the fraction of a planetary lifetime over which the
       technical civilization survived. (< .0000001%)

      Dr.  Sagan's  computation  indicates that N ( the  number  of  extant
    technical  civilizations  in our Milky Way galaxy is about Ten  Million
    (10,000,000).   This means that even though only .0025% of the stars in
    the Milky Way have technologically adavanced civilizations,  there  are
    about Ten Million (10,000,000) such civilizations in our galaxy.

      Dr.   Sagan's estimate of 10,000,000  inhabited  and  technologically
    advanced  planets in our one galaxy,  of,  course,  does not in and  of
    itself prove that UFO phenomena represent a manifestation of any one of
    them.   However,  it does indicate that in dealing with matters of such
    magnitude,  even assuming a "low probability",  (in this case,  .0025%)
    there remains an astoundingly large number of potentially inhabited and
    highly developed civilizations in our part of the universe.

      Highly  unusual,   startling,  and completely credible  documentation
    concerning  UFOs  has  been  disclosed  under the  Federal  Freedom  of
    Information Act (FOIA),  is a statute by which citizens may compel  the
    government  to  release certain documents.   This  documentation  (7000
    pages  approx.)  has been obtained by litigation with such agencies  as
    the  FBI,  CIA,  NSA,  USAF,  etc.).   Much information is still  being
    withheld from the public and remains to be disclosed, since the bulk of
    these  documents  have not been released by the government,  under  the
    "National  Security"   exemption  in  the statute.    In  view  of  the
    extraordinary  revelations contained in these documents,  there may  be
    very  much  more,   and even more disturbing,  information  yet  to  be
    revealed.

      The  authenticity of the documents is not arguable,  since they  have
    been  released  directly from the federal agency involded to  the  U.S.
    District Courts.

      Among the UFO cases established by the official documentary  evidence
    is    the   Bentwaters   sighting   of   a   few   years   ago.     RAF
    Woodbridge/Bentwaters  are  two  adjacent  USAF  bases  (Strategic  Air
    Command)  on land in Eastern England leased by the U.S.  Air Force from
    Great  Britain.    As such,  these are high security  installation  and
    storage sites for nuclear weapons.


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      Over the Christmas season of 1980, several British newspapers carried
    banner headlines of a unique UFO report,  unique in the sense that  the
    information  was  obtained through an OFFICIAL USAF  DOCUMENT  RELEASED
    UNDER  THE FOIA.   The report was prepared by the second in command  of
    the base,  Lt. Col Charles I. Halt, a  trained observer with a military
    career  he  presumably  would  not  wish  to  place  in  jeapordy  with
    outlandish  or  otherwise unsubstantiated UFO claims.   Yet,   can  one
    explain  the fact that he has never retracted a word of  the  following
    report,   was never reprimanded for making a false report,  and indeed,
    was later promoted to Brig. General?

      The report states:

        "1.  Early in the morning of 27  Dec 80  (approximately 0300L), two
             USAF  security  policemen saw unusual lights outside the  back
             gate  at  RAF Woodbridge.   Thinking an  aircraft  might  have
             crashed or been forced down,  they called for permission to go
             outside the gate to investigate.   The on-duty chief responded
             and   allowed  three  patrolmen  to  proceed  on  foot.    The
             individuals  reported seeing a strange glowing object  in  the
             forest.   The  object  was  described  as  being  metallic  in
             appearance and triangular in shape, approximately two to three
             meters across the base and approximately two meters high.   It
             illuminated the entire forest with a white light.   The object
             itself  had a pulsing red light on top and a bank(s)  of  blue
             lights underneath.   The object was hovering or on legs.    As
             the patrolmen approached the object, it maneuvered through the
             trees  and disappeared.   At this time the animals on a nearby
             farm  went  into a frenzy.   The object  was  briefly  sighted
             approximately an hour later near the back gate.

        2.   The next day, three depressions 1 1/2" deep and 7" in diameter
             were  found  where the object had been sighted on the  ground.
             The  following  night (29  Dec 80)  the area was  checked  for
             radiation.    Beta/gamma readings of 0.1  milliroentgens  were
             recorded with peak readings in the three depressions and  near
             the  center  of the triangle foRAGRAPHS 2  AND  3.   (Emphasis
             added.)


    (Signed)
    Charles I. Halt, Lt. Col, USAF
    Deputy Base Commander


      Moreover,  in a 1984 CNN documentary on the Bentwaters case,  current
    and former USAF security personnel independently confirmed the contents
    of  the Halt report.   A  former military policeman,   "Airman  Gregg,"
    stated,   "   I  saw some kind of spaceship from someplace not of  this
    Earth."    A   former  Master  Sgt.,  who was part  of  the  team  that
    investigated the landing site, said the team found three depressions in
    the soil,  12 feet apart, in an equilateral triangle.   One officer who
    is still on active duty with the USAF corroborated these statements and
    added that motion pictures and still photographs of the site were  also
    taken. (denied by the USAF.)

      Lt.   Col.  Halt ordered a hightened state of alert for the following
    night,   on  which night a four-man perimiter  patrol  reported  seeing
    strange lights in the sky outside the back gate that,  "were unlike the
    pattern  of  any  known  aircraft."   They  requested  and  were  given
    permission to investigate.

      They found that an INTENSE light was eminating from a clearing in the
    forest  at the end of the runway.   One security officer said  that  as
    they  approached,  all the hair on their bodies (even under their hats)
    stood on end,  "like therre was a big static charge in the air."   They
    loaded their M-16s.  "We didn't know what we were encountering;  and we
    knew  it  was something beyond our realm of experience.   We had  never
    experienced anything like that before.  About that time,  we decided to
    get  the...out  of  there."    The armed security police  ran  off  and
    encountered about 30  more security police (led by Lt.  Col.  Halt)  in
    about a half-dozen vehicles on a nearby road.

      Halt and a three man team,  including Sgr.  "B"  (  a  USAF  security
    officer still on active duty) approached the clearing.  The Sgt.  later
    said,  "right now, I do believe that UFOs exist.   Up to this point,  I
    had  been  skeptical.   Now I believe there may have been someone  else
    there."


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      Larry  Warren,  a  former security officer,  has come forward without
    anonymity  and  has withstood a blistering attack by  the  professional
    skeptics  on his personal integrity,  who claimed he was a drug user or
    flat out,  a liar.   These unsubstantiated charges were later retracted
    by  the  skeptics.   Warren maintains that more happened on the  second
    night  that  is  not included in the report or on  the  tape.    Warren
    states, "I was very close...At one point we saw people, or whatever you
    want  to call them,  coming out.   There were three of them..they stood
    there...actually  floated...our  base  commander was there  (Lt.   Col.
    Gordon Williams)."

      Although   the  USAF  originally  maintained  that  "no   audiovisual
    documentation  of the incident exists,"  a  FOIA action unearthed a  20
    minute  audio tape made by Lt.  Col.  Halt which describes segments  of
    events  over a seven hour period of this second night.   Among  routine
    recordings  of  the  levels  of radioactivity and  the  other  evidence
    referred  to in the Halt report,  the tape describes Lt.  Col.   Halt's
    EYEWITNESS  UFO SIGHTING made at the time of the recording.    Skeptics
    have maintained that Lt.  Col.  Halt and his men mistakenly sighted the
    Orford lighthouse about ten miles away.    Although a lighthouse beacon
    can  be a source of a single light point,  there the similarity to  the
    Halt report and tape ends.  Lighthouse beacons do not leave radioactive
    "Landing  Marks"  in the soil.   A  single beacon is not simultaneously
    visible in two different directions (180 degrees apart-north and south)
    In fact, at one point, Lt. Col.  Halt describes four separate lights at
    the  same  time,   that moved about independently of  each  other  then
    disappeared.

        It  is  not likely that the beacon would have been shut off in  the
    middle  of  the night,  just as it is improbable that the  Deputy  Base
    Commander  of a highly sensitive nuclear base (and at least a dozen  of
    his men) could have confused a lighthouse beacon,  in a location he was
    no  doubt familiar with,  with the highly unusual lights he describes--
    let alone that the confusion would have lasted in excess of one hour.

        The  lighthouse  explanation simply does not stand up  under  close
    scrutiny.   When this position collapsed,  the skeptics then turned  to
    challenging  the personal integrity of the men who spoke  out--and  the
    discussion  got ugly.   These men were alleged to be drug users and the
    skeptics maintained that these security personnel were, in the words of
    one noted skeptic,  "hallucinating Keystone Cops."   At one point,  the
    tape  records Lt.  Col.  Halt (excited and breathing rapidly)   saying,
    "It's  (the  UFO)  moving out...It's moving fast!"    Another  security
    officer  remarks,   "There's one on the right heading  this  way  too!"

      Halt continues,  "They're both heading north.  Hey! Here! Here...Here
    he's coming from the south!  He's coming toward us now! WEIRD!...Now we
    are  observing  what  appears to be a beam coming down to  the  ground.
    THIS  IS  UNREAL!"   To repeat,  this is an authenticated  audio  tape,
    obtained  under the FOIA,  which has never been retracted by Lt.   Col.
    (now Brig. General) Halt or any other USAF official.

      Any  OBJECTIVE review of this evidence indicates that the  government
    is (or should be)  VERY interested in the matter of UFOs,  despite  its
    official  position  that it discontinued all  investigations  in  1969.
    Indeed,   many  scientists  are convinced that more study  of  UFOs  is
    needed.

    He conducted the investigation entirely on his own.

        On  July  9,  1985,  Senator Exon wrote a letter stating, "...while
    additional   information  on  the  subject  of  Bentwaters  AND   OTHER
    UNEXPLAINED UFO INCIDENTS (emphasis added)  may exist,  I  can find  no
    evidence  of  a coverup..."      This letter was written  significantly
    after  the lighthouse explanation was first proposed and apparently the
    Senator  also  found the lighthouse description unacceptable,   chosing
    rather to call the incident an "unexplained UFO incident."

        Although Senator Exon has refused further comment on Bentwaters, in
    a letter dated August 14,  1985, he stated, "I have put in more time on
    this matter than any other case since I have been a U.S.  Senator."   I
    leave  it to the reader to judge the importance at least one busy  U.S.
    Senator felt this matter demanded, to have taken so much time with this
    sighting.  SOMETHING grabbed his interest.


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        How do we know whether UFOs exist?   We don't.  What we do know  is
    that  an  unusually large number of UFO reports exist,  and that  some,
    such  as  the  Halt report,  are indeed EXTRAORDINARY,   in  the  sense
    mandated by  Dr.   Sagan.  There are many common points shared by these
    reports  (e.g.  the types of phenomena reported,  that the  better  the
    report  the harder it is to explain away and that many reports are made
    by  perfectly  normal  and  sometimes highly  trained  personnel  whose
    testimony  on any other subject would be accepted in any court of law).
    We  also  know that our government and others continue to  study  UFOs,
    despite their official position that they do not.   Many lawsuits  have
    been  filed under the Freedom of Information Act against the FBI,  CIA,
    DIA,   NSA,  Air Force,  Army,  Navy,  etc.,  which have revealed  many
    previously  classified documents confirming that the  government  takes
    the  matter VERY seriously and that there are far more  such  documents
    remaining which the government refuses to disclose.

        Perhaps  the most open government involved in the study of UFOs  is
    France,   although even they recently tightened the security  of  these
    matters.   In 1974, M.  Robert Galley,  the French Minister of Defense,
    gave an interview on French National Radio in which he stated that UFOs
    are real and that if the public were told the amount and quality of the
    evidence  (such as radar sightings and fighter gun camera movies)  they
    would  be very disturbed.   He also revealed in the interview that  the
    government  was passing UFO information on for evaluation by CNES  (the
    French NASA).   Dr. Claude Poher was in charge of the study there.   By
    May 1,  1977,  the work of Dr.  Poher was so impressive that the French
    government  put  it on a much more official basis,  gave the project  a
    substantial  grant  of funds and created a new division of  CNES  under
    Poher's  direction.    This division was named GEPAN (which stands  for
    Group into Unidentified Atmospheric Phenomena).

        About one year after the project started,  Dr.  Pierre  Guerin,  an
    astronomer working for the project wrote, "an intelligence controls the
    UFOs,  and it is not ours."  Later in the the article,  Guerin said the
    the governments of the earth knew the truth about UFOs (that they  came
    from  an  intelligence which coexisted with us on the  planet  and  may
    actually  control us!)  but that they had no idea how to disclose  this
    information and still maintain world order.

        GEPAN marked a new phase of open communication in official  policy,
    and   the  project  was  very  cooperative  with  ufologists,    unlike
    governmental  agencies  in  the United States.   In  a  document  dated
    February, 1979, GEPAN outlines how the study operates.  There are field
    workers, including an early warning team who can be rapidly sent to the
    scene  of  an incident.  A  team of scientists of  various  disciplines
    studies  the  information  collected  in  well  equipped  laboratories.
    Psychologists evaluate witnesses.  The National Police (Gendarmes)  are
    to  prepare  reports  of incidents to be passed on to GEPAN.

        Of 354 reports received in 1978, 53% involved close encounters,  of
    which 25%  were classified "unexplained"  and 34%  "potentially unknown
    but lacking probative data."   GEPAN states that these alarming results
    "pose  a real question after analysis by our experts."   It was at this
    time  that  GEPAN decided that "great vigilance is necessary  regarding
    the  distribution and publication of these studies.   We estimate  that
    the witnesses we have met have really seen the things which they report
    to  us...the  study  of  the cause of these  phenomena  is  capable  of
    bringing forth new knowledge."  In private, Poher and Guerin were going
    even  farther,   and  the French government became  worried.    A   new
    director,  astronomer Dr.  Alain Esterle,  was appointed.   Less  GEPAN
    information was released, although Dr. Esterle stated in 1981  that the
    work of GEPAN was proving that UFOs were indeed alien.

        With  the  growth  of its work and information collected  by  1982,
    GEPAN  had  tightened its security measures and a "reorganization"   of
    GEPAN  was  instituted.   Esterle was replaced by an engineer  and  Dr.
    Guerin released this statement in 1983:

        "It  is not the scientists,  naturally skeptical as they are,   who
    induced  the  military  and political leaders to refuse  to  take  'UFO
    stories'   seriously.    It  is these authorities  themselves  who  are
    concealing from us what they know...and they have put it into the minds
    of  the  scientists  to  deny the existence of es  believes  that  most
    sightings are misidentifications of prosaic objects,  he estimates that
    1,000   to 10,000  reports from all over the world remain for which  no
    conventional  explanation  is possible.   He  speculates  that  similar
    events  have  been occurring for centuries.   But despite  the  literal
    "mountain"  of evidence that has accumulated over the past 40  years of
    government interest in UFOs, including the GEPAN program in France, not
    one  other government is willing to openly admit that there is anything
    curious  in the UFO phenomena worthy of study,  let alone  a  potential
    security problem.


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        He cites a remarkable public apathy,  a  climate of ridicule by the
    media  and  an air of apparent indifference by the  world  governments.
    But, he says, this is only an apparent   indifference, as the phenomena
    is undoubtedly being studied somewhere in   some   back rooms.

        For  example,  documents obtained under the FOIA from the CIA,  NSA
    and   other  governmental  agencies  provide  undeniable  evidence   of
    continuing official interest in UFOs.   Noyes congratulates his  former
    colleagues at the MOD on their ability to pretend to take no notice  of
    the stranger incidents reported to them.

        Noyes believes that the Bentwaters case in 1980  is one of the most
    important UFO cases in history.  It was this case that encouraged Noyes
    to  finally  write the UFO book he had long considered.   He chose  the
    fictional  format  because  it  permitted him  to  enter  into  various
    speculations which would not otherwise be possible.

        U. S. Senator Barry Goldwater (Arizona)  is a retired USAF General,
    with  TOP SECRET CLEARANCE,  who attempted to gain access to a  storage
    facility  alleged to contain dead aliens at Wright-Patterson AFB.    He
    was  refused entry since he did not have,  believe it or not,  a   high
    enough security clearance.

        On December 3, 1974, Goldwater wrote the following letter:

        "...I  made an effort to get in the room at Wright-Patter-son Field
    where  the  information  was  stored and I  was  denied  this  request,
    understandably."

        On March 28, 1975, Senator Goldwater wrote again:

        "...The subject of UFOs has interested me for some time. I  made an
    effort  to  find out what was in THE BUILDING AT  WRIGHT-PATTERSON  AIR
    FORCE  BASE WHERE THE INFORMATION IS STORED THAT HAS BEEN COLLECTED  BY
    THE AIR FORCE,  and I was denied this request.   IT IS STILL CLASSIFIED
    ABOVE TOP SECRET..." (Emphasis Added).

        Other  prominent  Amercans  have also gone on record that  the  UFO
    phenomena is worthy of serious study, for example:

     1.  President  Carter  asked  NASA  to  explore  the  possibility   of
         investigating UFOs.

     2.  When he was in Congress,  President Ford called for  Congressional
         investigations of UFOs.

     3.  Astronaut   Gordon   Cooper   said,    "I   believe   that   these
         extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet
         from other planets."

     4.  General Nathan Twining,  Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and
         reputed  member  of MJ-12,  wrote a secret memo on  September  23,
         1947, in which he stated to the Commanding General of the Army Air
         Forces on the subject of "Flying Discs":

         a.  The phenomenon reported is something REAL and not visionary or
             fictitious.

         b.  There  are objects probably approximating the shape of a disc,
             of such appreciable size as to appear to be as large as a man-
             made aircraft.

         c.  There  is  a  possibility that some of the  incidents  may  be
             caused by natural phenomena, such as meteors.

         d.  The  reported operating characteristics such as extreme  rates
             of climb,  maneuverability (particularly in roll),  and action
             which must  be considered EVASIVE when sighted or contacted by
             friendly  aircraft  and radar,  lend belief to the possibility
             that  some of the  objects  are  controlled  either  manually,
             automatically or remotely." (Emphasis in Original).

        It  is  now clear that the U.S.  Air Force Project  Blue  Book  was
    merely  a public relations effort to show something being "done"  about
    UFOs.   It is equally clear that the real effort was,  and continues to
    be conducted elsewhere.


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        In 1969,  the U.S.  Air Force closed it's public UFO data gathering
    effort known as "Project Blue Book."  Since that time, all inquiries to
    the  Air  force requesting information on UFOs were met  with  standard
    form  letters indicating that,  since 1969,  the Air Force no longer is
    involved  in UFO investigation and that the reports gathered by Project
    Blue Book have been archived and are available elsewhere.

        Lawsuits  under  the  Freedom  of  Information  Act  have  obtained
    significant official documentation verifying an on-going  uninterrupted
    concern with UFO investigations by the Air Force,  belying its publicly
    stated position on the matter.

        A  Joint  Army  Navy Air Force Publication  (JANAP  146)   requires
    reports  of any sighting which could be a threat to national  security.
    UFOs  continue  to be sighted by military personnel  and  are  reported
    under this regulation.

        Indeed, important UFO sightings and reports, even before 1969, were
    not processed under Project Blue Book,  but were and are collected  and
    investigated  elsewhere by the military.   An Air Force document  dated
    October  20,  1969,  which proposed termination of Project  Blue  Book,
    states,   "Reports  of Unidentified Flying Objects which  could  affect
    national  security are made in accordance with JANAP 146  or Air  Force
    Manual  55-11,   AND  ARE NOT PART OF THE BLUE  BOOK  SYSTEM  (Emphasis
    Added)...reports  of  UFOs which could affect national security  should
    continue to be handled through standarddeemed to constitute a threat to
    national security under JANAP 146,  are considered by the regulation as
    something different than missles and aircraft.

        Moreover,  the term "UFO,"  as used in these regulations,  is given
    very clear definition.  Illustrations in Air Force Intelligence manuals
    at least as far back as 1953 represent UFOs as large, disc-shaped craft
    with transparent domes and portholes around the edges.   A  U.S.   Navy
    publication (OPNAV 94-P-3B),  titled "MERINT Radiotelegraph Procedure,"
    shows UFOs as a separate class from missles and aircraft.  In fact,  an
    illustration under the UFO heading shows a Saturn-shaped disc.

        Obviously,   this  does  not even approach "final  proof"   of  the
    existence  of UFOs.   But it does constitute EXTRAORDINARY EVIDENCE  as
    suggested by Dr. Sagan in that it establishes that those responsible in
    our government take a serious attitude toward UFOs,  despite the public
    pronouncements to the contrary.   The official documents released under
    the  FOIA  establish an intense governmental interest in UFOs  over  at
    least  the  past 40  years.   These monumental efforts  are  completely
    irreconcilable  with  the notion that UFOs are nothing  more  than  the
    imaginations  and  misidentifications  of  a  misguided   and  gullible
    populace.



** End of file **

Don

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