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(2949) Wed 7 Oct 92 12:30p
By: Mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu
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Re: Ufo Evidence Vs. Carl Sagan
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From: mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:07:15 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire
Message-ID: <1992Oct6.170715.1564@cnsvax.uwec.edu>
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UFO EVIDENCE VS. Carl Sagan
I watched all of Dr. Carl Sagan's updated "Cosmos"
programs on PBS during summer 1991. In one of them, he STILL
maintains that there is no physical evidence for UFO
Spacecraft, "just stories".
I should think that by now he would have heard about the
Roswell Incident in which UFO WRECKAGE and ALIEN BODIES were
found on a ranch (in New Mexico, I think), gathered up by the
U.S. military, and hidden away in an Air Force hanger
somewhere. The wreckage included materials NOT KNOWN on
Earth, and some of it even had ALIEN SYMBOLS written on it.
All of this was witnessed by many People, both civilian and
military. A couple of years ago, the TV program "Unsolved
Mysteries" showed an excellent segment about the incident.
The Roswell Incident illustrates a serious problem here.
Whenever there IS physical evidence of a UFO Spacecraft, the
military always confiscates it, using "national security" as
an excuse, and then ACTS LIKE THE MAFIA toward the finders
and other witnesses by THREATENING them if they don't keep
silent! (They did it to the rancher in the Roswell
Incident.)
I wonder if Carl Sagan has been pressured by the
government into continuing to make negative public statements
about UFO's. It's too bad that so many people accept his
pronouncements without question. He may very well be another
case of THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND.
This is supposed to be a FREE country. FREEDOM OF
SPEECH is guaranteed by the highest law of the land. The
government (and its military) is supposed to be of, by, and
for The People, NOT the other way around. People need to
know THE TRUTH about EVERYTHING in order to intelligently
participate in the democratic process. It is an ORGANIZED
CRIME for the government to withhold or suppress information
and physical evidence of UFO's from us.
UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this
IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED.
Robert E. McElwaine
B.S., Physics and Astronomy, UW-EC
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(2954) Wed 7 Oct 92 12:31p
By: John S. Novak Iii
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From: darknite@camelot.bradley.edu (John S. Novak III)
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:06:08 GMT
Organization: Bradley University
Message-ID: <darknite.718412768@camelot>
Newsgroups: sci.space
mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
> UFO EVIDENCE VS. Carl Sagan
[...]
Come now, Robert, repeating the same postings?
How boring. Make up something new.
> UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this
> IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED.
Uh-huh.
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John S. Novak, III darknite@camelot.bradley.edu
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(2959) Wed 7 Oct 92 12:31p
By: Shari L Brooks
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From: bafta@cats.ucsc.edu (Shari L Brooks)
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:22:10 GMT
Organization: University of California - Santa Cruz, CA, USA
Message-ID: <1atajiINNs3v@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
Newsgroups: sci.space
I see Mr McElwaine has given up on sci.physics and moved here. :(
In article <1992Oct6.170715.1564@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu
writes:
> UFO EVIDENCE VS. Carl Sagan
oh, no. I had no idea they were contending.
[stuff deleted]
> I should think that by now he would have heard about the
> Roswell Incident in which UFO WRECKAGE and ALIEN BODIES were
> found on a ranch (in New Mexico, I think), gathered up by the
> U.S. military, and hidden away in an Air Force hanger
> somewhere. The wreckage included materials NOT KNOWN on
> Earth, and some of it even had ALIEN SYMBOLS written on it.
> All of this was witnessed by many People, both civilian and
> military. A couple of years ago, the TV program "Unsolved
> Mysteries" showed an excellent segment about the incident.
I think that you may be confusing the program with a terrible science fiction
B-movie entitled "Hangar 13". This movie was so bad that the scene where
the shuttle astronauts looked out their window while on orbit showed black
space, no stars. But it is for the most part summarized in the above quote.
[more *stuff* deleted]
> This is supposed to be a FREE country. FREEDOM OF
> SPEECH is guaranteed by the highest law of the land. The
> government (and its military) is supposed to be of, by, and
> for The People, NOT the other way around. People need to
Wait a minute. Didn't your last post to sci.space claim the government was
Bolshevik? I could swear it did. Did you change your mind?
> Robert E. McElwaine
> B.S., Physics and Astronomy, UW-EC
^^^^three guesses what it stands for
I restricted distribution cuz our friends overseas shouldn't have to read this.
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------> shari brooks <------- | bafta@ucscb.ucsc.edu
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(2960) Wed 7 Oct 92 12:31p
By: Brad Whitehurst
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From: rbw3q@rayleigh.mech.Virginia.EDU (Brad Whitehurst)
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:04:01 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia
Message-ID: <1992Oct7.000401.29280@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
Newsgroups: sci.space
In article <1992Oct6.170715.1564@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu
writes:
>
>
> UFO EVIDENCE VS. Carl Sagan
>
> I watched all of Dr. Carl Sagan's updated "Cosmos"
> programs on PBS during summer 1991. In one of them, he STILL
> maintains that there is no physical evidence for UFO
> Spacecraft, "just stories".
>
> I should think that by now he would have heard about the
> Roswell Incident in which UFO WRECKAGE and ALIEN BODIES were
> found on a ranch (in New Mexico, I think), gathered up by the
> U.S. military, and hidden away in an Air Force hanger
> somewhere. The wreckage included materials NOT KNOWN on
> Earth, and some of it even had ALIEN SYMBOLS written on it.
...
> Robert E. McElwaine
> B.S., Physics and Astronomy, UW-EC
What planet did THIS fellow fall from??? C'mon, guy, post to
alt.conspiracy or alt.ufo.what-ever. :-)
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(2962) Wed 7 Oct 92 12:31p
By: Jeff Bytof
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From: rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof)
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:56:19 GMT
Organization: ucsd
Message-ID: <rabjab.12.718419379@golem.ucsd.edu>
Newsgroups: sci.space
Robert E. McElwaine, Esq., states:
> It's too bad that so many people accept his [Dr. Carl Sagan's]
> pronouncements without question.
I agree with Bob, but only on this one, *small*, point.
Jeff Bytof
rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu
(I am of course referring to Dr. Sagan's hobby interests - "ethical
macaques" and the thesis that Patrick Buchanan is a "baboon" -
not to his well-founded and exciting work modeling the chemistry of
Saturn's moon, Titan!)
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(2973) Wed 7 Oct 92 12:31p
By: Kevin Quinn
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From: kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn)
Date: 7 Oct 92 03:39:41 GMT
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Message-ID: <1992Oct7.033941.1671@pony.Ingres.COM>
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In article <1992Oct6.170715.1564@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu
writes:
>
>
> UFO EVIDENCE VS. Carl Sagan
[ drivel and blather deleted... ]
> Robert E. McElwaine
> B.S., Physics and Astronomy, UW-EC
>
>
Robert - why don't you take this and other such threads to alt.alien.visitors,
where you'll find rapt and willing stooges.. um, advocates? You'll still
catch your share of flames, of course, but it'll all be in fun. Right?
kbq
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(2984) Wed 7 Oct 92 12:31p
By: Jim Mann
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From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:28:12 GMT
Message-ID: <7034@transfer.stratus.com>
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In article <rabjab.12.718419379@golem.ucsd.edu> rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu
(Jeff Bytof) writes:
> Robert E. McElwaine, Esq., states:
>
> > It's too bad that so many people accept his [Dr. Carl
Sagan's]
> > pronouncements without question.
>
> I agree with Bob, but only on this one, *small*, point.
>
> Jeff Bytof
> rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu
>
> (I am of course referring to Dr. Sagan's hobby interests - "ethical
> macaques" and the thesis that Patrick Buchanan is a "baboon" -
> not to his well-founded and exciting work modeling the chemistry
of
> Saturn's moon, Titan!)
Why? Because it is unfair to the baboons?
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Stratus Computer jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
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(2989) Wed 7 Oct 92 12:31p
By: Bruce Watson
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From: wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson)
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:16:15 GMT
Organization: Alpha Science Computer Network, Denver, Co.
Message-ID: <28392@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM>
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In article <1992Oct6.170715.1564@cnsvax.uwec.edu| mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu
writes:
|
|
|
| UFO EVIDENCE VS. Carl Sagan
|
| I watched all of Dr. Carl Sagan's updated "Cosmos"
| programs on PBS during summer 1991. In one of them, he STILL
| maintains that there is no physical evidence for UFO
| Spacecraft, "just stories".
|
| I should think that by now he would have heard about the
| Roswell Incident in which UFO WRECKAGE and ALIEN BODIES were
| found on a ranch (in New Mexico, I think), gathered up by the
He did. It's a story.
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(3253) Thu 8 Oct 92 12:28p
By: Nicho@vnet.ibm.com
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From: nicho@VNET.IBM.COM
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:48:11 GMT
Message-ID: <9210071249.AA27930@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>
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In <rabjab.12.718419379@golem.ucsd.edu> Jeff Bytof writes:
>(I am of course referring to Dr. Sagan's hobby interests - "ethical
============
Has Carl Sagan actually got a doctorate in anything ??? Last I heard
(long time ago , true) he was just plain ol' C. Sagan
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(3318) Thu 8 Oct 92 6:28p
By: Robert B. Whitehurst
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From: rbw3q@helga9.acc.Virginia.EDU (Robert B. Whitehurst)
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:00:43 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia
Message-ID: <1992Oct8.140043.26076@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
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In article <9210071249.AA27930@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> nicho@vnet.ibm.com writes:
>In <rabjab.12.718419379@golem.ucsd.edu> Jeff Bytof writes:
>>(I am of course referring to Dr. Sagan's hobby interests - "ethical
> ============
> Has Carl Sagan actually got a doctorate in anything ??? Last I heard
>(long time ago , true) he was just plain ol' C. Sagan
>Greg Nicholls ... nicho@vnet.ibm.com or nicho@cix.compulink.co.uk
He was a respected, bona fide astronomer long before he was a
celebrity. He is still involved in active research, I believe
planetary science, associated with JPL.
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(3320) Thu 8 Oct 92 6:28p
By: Gawne@stsci.edu
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From: gawne@stsci.edu
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:54:14 GMT
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Message-ID: <1992Oct8.105414.1@stsci.edu>
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In article <9210071249.AA27930@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, nicho@VNET.IBM.COM writes:
> In <rabjab.12.718419379@golem.ucsd.edu> Jeff Bytof writes:
>>(I am of course referring to Dr. Sagan's hobby interests - "ethical
> ============
> Has Carl Sagan actually got a doctorate in anything ??? Last I heard
> (long time ago , true) he was just plain ol' C. Sagan
A glance at American Men and Women of Science shows Carl Sagan with:
AB - 1954, BS - 1955, MS - 1956, PhD - 1960 (Astron,Astrophys)
all granted by the University of Chicago.
It's hard to get tenure at Cornell these days without one of those
PhD things, ya' know?
-Bill Gawne, Space Telescope Science Institute
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(3320) Thu 8 Oct 92 6:28p
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From: gawne@stsci.edu
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:54:14 GMT
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Message-ID: <1992Oct8.105414.1@stsci.edu>
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In article <9210071249.AA27930@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, nicho@VNET.IBM.COM writes:
> In <rabjab.12.718419379@golem.ucsd.edu> Jeff Bytof writes:
>>(I am of course referring to Dr. Sagan's hobby interests - "ethical
> ============
> Has Carl Sagan actually got a doctorate in anything ??? Last I heard
> (long time ago , true) he was just plain ol' C. Sagan
A glance at American Men and Women of Science shows Carl Sagan with:
AB - 1954, BS - 1955, MS - 1956, PhD - 1960 (Astron,Astrophys)
all granted by the University of Chicago.
It's hard to get tenure at Cornell these days without one of those
PhD things, ya' know?
-Bill Gawne, Space Telescope Science Institute
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(3338) Thu 8 Oct 92 6:28p
By: Derek Kirkland
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From: dp10@mc4adm.UWaterloo.ca (Derek Kirkland)
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:17:24 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo
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You better believe what he has to say. After all he is a writer
for the National Enquirer!!!! :) :) :)
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(3440) Fri 9 Oct 92 12:19p
By: Jeff Bytof
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From: rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof)
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:20:50 GMT
Organization: ucsd
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>> Has Carl Sagan actually got a doctorate in anything ??? Last I heard
>> (long time ago , true) he was just plain ol' C. Sagan
>A glance at American Men and Women of Science shows Carl Sagan with:
>AB - 1954, BS - 1955, MS - 1956, PhD - 1960 (Astron,Astrophys)
>all granted by the University of Chicago.
Doesn't he also have a medical degree from Stanford?
Jeff Bytof
rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu
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(3457) Fri 9 Oct 92 12:19p
By: William Grimm
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From: wjg@bluemoon.rn.com (william grimm)
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:06:22 GMT
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
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> > Roswell Incident in which UFO WRECKAGE and ALIEN BODIES were
> > found on a ranch (in New Mexico, I think), gathered up by the
> > U.S. military, and hidden away in an Air Force hanger
> > somewhere. The wreckage included materials NOT KNOWN on
> > Earth, and some of it even had ALIEN SYMBOLS written on it.
> ...
> > Robert E. McElwaine
> > B.S., Physics and Astronomy, UW-EC
>
>
Well, Mr. McElwaine, what happened was- and watch who you repeat this to-
Carl Sagan was brainwashed at Wright Patterson's infamous hangar 13, and
convinced by certain govt. agencies to keep quiet regarding the inhuman
alien monsters that frequently visit our planet <G>. The aliens, you see,
are working hand-in-hand with the feds- they supply the technology, we
supply the bovine and human body parts for their genetic research :}.
This is from
wjg@bluemoon.rn.com
who doesn't have his (or her) own obnoxious signature yet
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ine and human body parts for their genetic research :}.
This is from
wjg@bluemoon.rn.com
who doesn't have his (or her) own obnoxious signature yet
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