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(12048) Tue 24 Nov 92 1:01p
By: Joseph Daniels
To: All
Re: Underground Alien Facilities
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From: joseph.daniels@homebase.com (Joseph Daniels)
Date: 24 Nov 92 02:26:00 GMT
Organization: Home Base BBS - St. Thomas, Ontario - 519-633-7253
Message-ID: <1877.479.uupcb@homebase.com>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
To: peter@stycx.hacktic.nl (Author)
AU|I've been reading that there would be a number of underground facilities
|for use by aliens in Arizona and New Mexico. Notably these facilities
|would have been contructed underneath Native American Reservations. Is
|there anyone out there who happens to know which reservations? Also I
|would be interested to see if some of you, living in Arizona and New
|Mexico, who have more information on this.
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Here is a file I found on InfoNet that might answer some of your
questions. UFO skeptic, Jacques Vallee is interrogating the
Ex-Naval Intelligence Officer, Bill Cooper.
(Vallee's questions are in Capitals and Cooper's answers are not.
Valle is quite skeptical and is trying to make Cooper 'slip up',
but in my opinion Cooper does a good job of answering all the
questions.)
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THE BILL COOPER BRIEFING
from the book "Revelations" by Jacques Vallee
I've read your recent interview (in the MUFON Journal) where you
say you don't believe in MJ-12, so it made me wonder why you
wanted this meeting. - Bill Cooper
THE INTERVIEW WAS DONE BEFORE I MET JOHN LEAR, BUT I WILL GRANT
YOU THAT MY POSITION HASN'T CHANGED THAT MUCH. I BELIEVE THERE IS
A UFO PHENOMENON WHICH IS PHYSICAL IN THE USUAL SENSE, BUT IT CAN
MANIPULATE SPACE AND TIME IN WAYS I CERTAINLY DON'T UNDERSTAND;
PERHAPS THERE ARE PEOPLE AROUND WHO UNDERSTAND IT. - Jacques
Vallee
They do, but go on...
I FURTHER BELIEVE, AS DO YOU, THAT THE U.S. GOVERNMENT MUST HAVE
BEEN STUDYING IT FOR YEARS. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT MJ-12 IS
REAL. THERE IS A HALL OF MIRRORS ONE ENTERS AS SOON AS THE
INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY IS INVOLVED, AND WE'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE
OF IT. THEN I TALKED TO LINDA HOE AND FRED BECKMAN, BOTH OF WHOM
RECOMMENDED THAT I LISTEN TO JOHN LEAR, WHO IS AN IMPRESSIVE
FELLOW, AND HE SAID I SHOULD TALK TO YOU, AND HERE I AM.
I became involved in the UFO question as a Naval Intelligence
Man. In the period of 1971-72 I was ordered to brief several
high-level officers about the contents of certain documents that
were given to me. Those briefings had to do with the fact that a
number of UFOs have been captured by the military and that their
occupants have been working along with our scientists. We have
entered into a treaty with them.
YOU ARE GOING A LITTLE TOO FAST FOR ME. FIRST OF ALL, WHAT WAS
YOUR POSITION IN THE NAVY?
I was under Admiral Clarey, as a member of the Intelligence
briefing team.
WERE THE DOCUMENTS CLASSIFIED, AND AT WHAT LEVEL?
They were classified Top Secret/S.I.
WAS THERE A CODE WORD ATTACHED TO THEM?
MAJIC, with a "J", was the code word. I am sure they changed it
now.
HOW LONG WAS THE BRIEFING, AND WHERE WAS IT GIVEN?
There were several briefings, all of which took place at the
Headquarters for Pacific Operations on the island of Hawaii. The
building overlooks Pearl Harbor. The first briefing was a two-
and-a-half-hour general overview, then there were periodic
updates as new information came to light.
WHY WERE THESE OFFICERS BEING BRIEFED?
Because in their operational capacity, they had and immediate
need to know. One, they might be required to recover some crashed
disks in the future. Two, the UFOs might be misconstrued as
offensive Soviet devices and fired upon, so they had to be aware
of their existence.
WERE THERE INSTANCES WHEN THE UFOS POSED A REAL THREAT?
During the Vietnam War a UFO shot down a B-52. There were also
cases when our troops were attacked by things they first thought
were helicopters. There was some speculation at the time that the
Russians must have entered the war on the North Vietnamese side,
so it became a pretty serious matter.
DID THE NAVY EVER PICK UP A DISK AFTER THAT?
There was an incident in which I was an actual witness, involving
the recovery of a craft that was later listed as a Soviet sub. I
was in the command center when it happened, and I can assure you
it was real.
HAVE YOU YOURSELF EVER SEEN AN ALIEN?
No.
HAVE YOU EVEN SEEN PART OF A CRASHED DISK?
No, but I know two different men who were assigned to guard
crashed disks and who have spoken to me.
HAVE YOU EVER SEEN UFOS YOURSELF?
Once, in the late summer of 1966, I was on watch on board a
submarine, the USS Tiru, SS-416, on the way to Seattle, and three
of us saw a disk as large as an aircraft carrier rising out of
the sea two and a half miles away on the port side. It rose and
was lost in the clouds, then it came back down again.
DID IT DISTURB THE OCEAN?
Not really, the water would glide around it, as if it was drawn
by a force field.
WERE THERE BRIEFINGS GIVEN TO HIGH-ECHELON OFFICERS BEFORE 1971?
There must have been, given the information in the documents. The
text stated that the first secret project was established at
Eisenhower's orders in 1953. Ike asked Rockefeller to help him in
setting up an organization that could conduct a study without
government agencies or Congress being aware of the situation.
Rockefeller established it under the "Jasons", an elite
intellectual group. The task force was composed of twelve men,
including Kissinger, Dulles, Brzezinski, George Bush, and eight
others, who became known as the the MJ-12 under operation
Majority.
WHERE DID THEY MEET?
At a place called the Country Club. This way they could mention
it openly without anyone knowing what they were talking about. It
was a piece of land in Maryland which Rockefeller had set aside
for the Jasons. It was only accessible through the air.
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(12049) Tue 24 Nov 92 1:01p
By: Joseph Daniels
To: All
Re: Underground Facilitie 2/4
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From: joseph.daniels@homebase.com (Joseph Daniels)
Date: 24 Nov 92 02:26:00 GMT
Organization: Home Base BBS - St. Thomas, Ontario - 519-633-7253
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>>> Continued from previous message
AND THE INFORMATION THAT WAS KEPT SECRET HAD TO DO WITH UFOS
SPECIFICALLY?
With UFOs and with the Aliens. There are four types of aliens.
There are two kinds of "Grays", including one race, not commonly
seen, that has a large nose. Then there are the "Nordic" types,
tall blonde Aryans, and finally the "Orange" ones.
WHERE DO THEY COME FROM?
I remember seeing several points of origin mentioned: Orion, the
Pleiades, Betelgeuse, Barnard's star and Zeta Reticuli.
YOU MENTIONED WE HAD A TREATY WITH THEM?
Since 1964.
WHY WOULD THEY GO TO THE TROUBLE OF ENTERING INTO A TREATY WITH
US, SINCE THEIR TECHNOLOGY IS FAR AHEAD OF OURS? JOHN LEAR
MENTIONED A BILLION YEARS.
They needed the government to keep their presence secret.
Remember, we had one of the Aliens in our custody. Our radar
affected their navigation system and threw their craft off-
balance.
HOW ARE THEIR SHIPS POWERED?
With a small nuclear reactor the size of a football. They use a
space-time fold. I'm not a physicist, so I don't understand that.
Apparently they have the ability to cloak themselves, to go
invisible.
WHAT KIND OF METAL DO THEY USE?
In the early days it was pure magnesium. We couldn't duplicate it
at the time, but now we could duplicate it in space, that's why
there is so much interest in growing crystals in orbit. They use
alloys that we can create on Earth but not with the same pliable
structure. Do you know any of the astronauts? Ask any of the
Apollo astronauts about the moon. What they saw there. There is
an Alien base on the dark side of the moon.
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE ALIEN THAT WAS CAPTURED?
He died in 1952 after being ill for one year. The government
tried to save him. They broadcast messages into space, asking
that his people come and help. The result of that was the
Holloman landing, on April 25, 1964, when another Alien came to
work with our scientists. He gave us lots of information. The
Aliens were desperate to have their presence on Earth kept
secret. We agreed to that, in exchange for their technology. The
Aliens were given permission to conduct abductions. They said
they needed to do them on medical grounds. They were supposed to
give MJ-12 the list of the humans they abducted. Then we began to
realize they lied to us.
WHERE ARE THE ALIENS NOW?
At Area-51. Everybody thinks it is under control of the Air
Force, because it's at Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada. But in
reality Area-51 is under the Navy. The Navy has operational
control of field activities on this project. That also includes
Area-2, which was originally built as an underground storage area
for the Atomic Energy Commission.
WHAT ABOUT GROOM LAKE?
Groom Lake is at Nellis, same thing. There is an Alien Technical
Group at Nellis, and there is another one near Dulce, New Mexico,
on an Indian reservation.
HOW DO WE KNOW THAT'S TRUE?
That's what the documents stated. It turns out there is a large
magnetic anomaly where the base is. Perhaps ground-penetrating
radar would show what's inside, allegedly it is all honeycombed
with tunnels. The document explains how to get in, where the
doors are.
IS IT GUARDED?
No, it's not guarded. That would only attract attention, they
would have to explain what it is. But once you go in, you never
come out. I can take you there if you want.
WHAT WERE THE TWO DOCUMENTS THAT YOU USED FOR THE BRIEFINGS? CAN
YOU DESCRIBE THEM?
The thickest one was a book, about three-quarters of an inch
thick, called "Grudge/Blue Book Report Number 13". People think
Blue Book was under the Air Force, but it wasn't. Blue Book was
under Grudge, which in turn was assigned to the Air Force to run.
It had to do with abductees and implants.
WHAT WAS THE OTHER DOCUMENT?
It was an outline on Operation Majority, which also covered Blue
Book.
HAS ANYONE ELSE SEEN THESE DOCUMENTS?
There is a man named Bill English who is in hiding near
Albuquerque, and who has seen the same things I did. He is afraid
for his life. They have already tried to kill him twice. The
government blew up a van in which he was riding with two other
fellows. They died, and he's lucky to have escaped. The only
reason nothing happens to me is that I talk to people, I
disseminate all the information I have. You must realize that for
a long time I kept it all inside, because I thought it was in the
interest of the country, and I had a high sense of duty. I don't
have that sense anymore. It's all wrong. Too many people have
been killed because of this. It's completely illegal, and we have
been betrayed by the Aliens. We live under immense danger now.
HOW DID THIS OTHER MAN, BILL ENGLISH, GET TO SEE THE DOCUMENTS?
He was a captain in the U.S. Army, Special Forces. He was
assigned as an information analyst at a British base. The
document came in the regular pouch. He was not supposed to see
it, it was an error in routing. So he was kicked out. Attempts
were made on his life. He was ridiculed. Some people even said he
was on LSD!
WHAT DID YOU THINK OF THE 'COVER-UP" DOCUMENTARY, RELEASED BY
SELIGMAN?
It was part of the damned contingency plan, a deliberate attempt
by the government to confuse people. Perhaps I shouldn't say
this, but some of the participants are informers for the
government.
WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE DOCUMENTARY, THEN?
To lead people away from the truth. All the Majestic-12 documents
that Moore has presented were obvious fakes. It was done to
discredit the people associated with that research. The whole
thing read like a chapter in his book about the Roswell crash,
there was nothing new in it. The pictures of Aliens were not
right. And Majestic-12 was not formed by Truman, as they implied.
DO YOU THINK IT IS EASY TO FOOL PEOPLE?
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(12050) Tue 24 Nov 92 1:01p
By: Joseph Daniels
To: All
Re: Underground Facilitie 3/4
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From: joseph.daniels@homebase.com (Joseph Daniels)
Date: 24 Nov 92 02:26:00 GMT
Organization: Home Base BBS - St. Thomas, Ontario - 519-633-7253
Message-ID: <1879.479.uupcb@homebase.com>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
>>> Continued from previous message
The truth is so incredible...Look at this magnificent ship. (They
were aboard the Queen Mary) Imagine the Queen Mary sailing past
an island where the population was still living in the Stone Age.
What would they say about it? That's our situation with respect
to alien craft.
PRECISELY. THE QUEEN MARY DOESN'T BOTHER TO ENTER INTO A TREATY
WITH THE KING OF EVERY LITTLE ISLAND. AGAIN, BILL, I DON'T
UNDERSTAND WHY THE ALIENS WOULD NEED A FORMAL TREATY WITH US, IF
THEY ARE SO ADVANCED. IT SEEMS TO ME THEY WOULD JUST IGNORE US
COMPLETELY.
They need to make sure the government would keep their existence
from the public.
I HAVE HEARD FROM JOHN, AND ALSO FROM LINDA HOWE, THAT THE NAME
OF ALLEN HYNEK WAS MENTIONED IN REPORT-13?
Mentioned? He was the co-author of the damned thing!!! Hynek was
completely involved in it, in the study of the abductions and the
implants. He even made the statement that one person in forty has
been abducted and has received an implant. Of course, many more
people have simply been abducted. The scary part is, what if the
people who are in the government have all been implanted already?
ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT I KNEW HYNEK VERY WELL, AND THAT WHAT
YOU SAY ABOUT HIM MAKES NO SENSE TO SOMEONE WHO KNEW THE MAN'S
CHARACTER.
And all I can tell you is what was in that document. Hynek's name
was on the cover, and inside there were pictures of the Holloman
landing, photos of Aliens, autopsy tables, and details of Project
Red-light, where we actually try to fly their craft, and Project
Snowbird, a cover for Red-light using conventional technology,
and so on. By the way, their craft don't crash when they are
disabled, they settle in the impact crater where the dirt has
been pushed aside.
THERE IS A CONTRADICTION HERE. BLUE BOOK, FROM WHAT I SAW, WAS
MOSTLY A PUBLIC RELATIONS PROJECT. THERE WAS NO FOLLOW-UP ON
CASES, IN FACT. HYNEK KEPT COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT.
There was no follow-up because they already knew what those
things were. But they still had to explain then to the public.
One of the documents said specifically that he cases they can't
explain should be referred to Philip Klass, who works in cahoots
with the intelligence community. You know, things are never what
they seem to be anymore.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE PURPOSE OF THE IMPLANTS?
Nobody knows. When an attempt is made to remove them, the person
dies.
WAIT A MINUTE. IF THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE 1953, MANY OF THE
IMPLANTED PEOPLE MUST ALREADY HAVE DIED OF PERFECTLY NATURAL
CAUSES. IT WOULD BE A SIMPLE MATTER TO REMOVE THE IMPLANT DURING
THE AUTOPSY AND STUDY IT. DON'T YOU THINK A PATHOLOGIST WOULD
NOTICE IT AND BE INTRIGUED ENOUGH TO TAKE IT APART?
(No Answer)
BILL, IF WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME CAN BE PROVEN, WE WILL HAVE TO
RECONSIDER EVERYTHING WE KNOW ABOUT THIS PROBLEM. I HAVE NO
QUESTION THAT YOU ARE TELLING ME WHAT YOU BELIEVE, AND IF YOU SAY
YOU HAVE SEEN THIS REPORT-13, I AM WILLING TO TRUST YOU. BUT THE
FACT THAT HYNEK'S NAME WAS ASSOCIATED WITH IT MAKES ME THINK THAT
IT WAS A COMPLETE FABRICATION.
I have seen the report myself and Hynek's name is on it.
SO WHAT DO YOU THINK SHOULD BE DONE NOW?
The information should be disseminated to the public, as widely
as possible.
DO YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT KNOWS?
Yes, Bush must know, as a former member of MJ-12. Previous
presidents were only told what THEY wanted them to know. The
President would have to blurt it out in the middle of a press
conference, before they were aware that he was going to say
anything. Don't you see? If the information was released, the
intelligence community would collapse. Nobody would ever trust
those people again. As you know, Reagan classified everything
about UFOs. Nobody who does any work with the government can talk
about the subject, even if they do unclassified work.
YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY MEAN THAT! FOR ONE THING, IT WOULD VIOLATE THE
FIRST AMENDMENT. FOR ANOTHER, NO ONE WOULD OBEY SUCH AN ORDER.
THE GOVERNMENT HASN'T EVEN DEFINED WHAT A UFO IS! IT WOULD BE
LIKE YOUR ASKING ME TO KEEP SECRET WHAT WE HAD FOR DINNER
TONIGHT, OR WHAT WE SAID TO EACH OTHER. YOU COULD NEVER FORCE ME
TO DO IT. I HAVEN'T AGREED TO IT IN ADVANCE. FURTHERMORE THERE
ARE PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT WE HAD FOR DINNER TONIGHT, SO I COULDN'T
KEEP IT A SECRET EVEN IF I WANTED TO!
Reagan ordered that no one doing any kind of business with the
U.S. government must discuss UFOs.
LET'S TALK MORE ABOUT THE ALIENS. WHY ARE THEY COMING HERE IN THE
FIRST PLACE?
There is a document about Project Aquarius that deals with the
history of the Aliens and their interaction with Homo sapiens for
the last twenty-five thousand years. This interaction culminated
with the Basque culture and the Assyrans. But Project Aquarius
was closed. Their planet has turned into a desert following a war
they had with another race. They have been devastated, they are
in evolutionary decline, their digestive system is atrophied.
They come here in search of new genetic material.
THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE!
The government believes it!
HOW LONG DO THE ALIENS LIVE?
They told us they lived four hundred and fifty years. The live
Alien who was left on Earth after Holloman was named Krll. He
gave lots of information, scientific data, some of which was
published in the open scientific literature under the name O. H.
Krill, after being sanitized. Very advanced stuff. Krill is still
alive. Their biology is well-understood. They are air-breathing
creatures like us, although the heart is connected to their lungs
as a single organ. Their digestive system is atrophied. They are
chlorophyll-based, plant-like, if you will. They absorb
nourishment through the skin, and they excrete through the skin
too.
WHAT ABOUT THEIR BRAINS?
They have two brains, separated by a bone partition, but going
into the same spinal cord.
DO YOU KNOW ANY DOCTOR WHO MIGHT HAVE ATTENDED THE ALIENS OR DONE
AN AUTOPSY?
Look up the name Dr. Guillermo Mendoza. He nursed the one Alien
who died. He was a biologist, not an M.D. By the way, they did
feed the Alien ice cream, which he could eat in small quantities
through a membrane in his mouth, and he did like strawberry. And
he was partial to Tibetan music. That part of the Seligman
"Cover-Up" documentary was true.
HOW DO THEY COMMUNICATE?
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(12051) Tue 24 Nov 92 1:01p
By: Joseph Daniels
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Re: Underground Facilitie 4/4
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From: joseph.daniels@homebase.com (Joseph Daniels)
Date: 24 Nov 92 02:26:00 GMT
Organization: Home Base BBS - St. Thomas, Ontario - 519-633-7253
Message-ID: <1880.479.uupcb@homebase.com>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
>>> Continued from previous message
Among themselves, they communicate telepathically. They use a
translation device with us. When they first came, they contacted
our scientists in binary code. You know, I'm not a religious man.
But if you look at the Bible. The Angels could be the Nordic
types and the Grays could well be the demonic ones. After all,
the Bible talks about a pact with the Devil in the last days,
after Israel is reinstated. Leading to Armageddon.
WHAT DID THE ALIENS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT?
The information they gave us wasn't just scientific data. They
provided much on the occult side. They claimed that had a lot to
do with our religion. They spoke about witchcraft and cults on
Earth.
SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT ALL THAT?
I am going to get the information out. I have resigned from my
job. To begin with, I'm organizing a symposium at Anaheim. The
profits will be used to build up a reward fund for those who want
to come up and reveal what they know. Then I'll take the
symposium to all the major cities.
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