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(9088) Tue 8 Sep 92 10:18a By: Don Allen To: All Re: English-cooper - 1/3 St: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ @MSGID: 1:363/81.1@fidonet.org 7e085b2b @PID: FM 2.02 Message #7110 "UFO" Date: 24-May-90 15:01 From: Bill English To: All Subj: Bill Cooper Well....what do you say about someone who is obviously mentally deranged? Hmmm...Bill Cooper has quite literally gone too far this time. In fact farther than he has ever gone before, which is unfortunate because at one time I had a certain amount of respect for the man. Now all I can honestly say I feel is pity and a certain amount shame. Not for myself mind you, but for Cooper's continuing to embarass himself and show just how ill he really apparently is. Bill needs help...I am sure that the majority of you who have followed the Cooper saga will agree that at one point it seemed that there may have been a certain amount of truth to what he was saying, but over a period of time it became apparent that his were the ravings of a man caught in the throes of a severe and debilitating ilness that has gone out of control. Those of you who know me, know that I never hesitate to speak my mind. Sometimes to the dismay of my friends who attempt to keep me in check when I become extremely upset over an issue that I feel passionately about, and many are the times when my friends accuse me of being a loose cannon. But in all honesty I don't think any of them can say that I have ever tried to deliver as facts the kind of stuff that keeps issuing forth from Cooper. This last tirade of his on the Echo has gone beyond the bounds of propriety, but in all fairness to Cooper we have to remember that this message that we have read here in the echo was not loaded here by Cooper. Apparently the message was placed on Cooper's own BBS and our good friend T.S. Bennett took it upon himself to load it into the FidoUFO Echo. So to a certain extent Bill Cooper is as much a victim as those that he seems intent upon accusing. BUT THAT STILL DOES NOT EXCUSE HIM! Although I have not had much contact with John Lear since the 1989 MUFON conference in Las Vegas, I like to think of John as a friend since it was his encouragement that brought me out of hiding two years ago, and back into active research. During the course of our friendship I have come to know and understand a little bit about John and what motivates him for the most part in his research and work. I also know and sympathise with him over the difficulties that he has encountered while trying to continue that work. And so that you understand that I am not trying to patronize him, I do not necessarily agree with everything that he says, but only because I have not devoted enough time to researching nor studying his work or findings. But I do respect him. And because of the limited knowledge that I do have of him, I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt the Cooper's charges and allegations are the most ridiculous that I have ever heard him come out with. I have met John's wife and kids, and I have seen John's devotion to them. The allegation that John would call a whore to come out to his home, and that he supposedly did it with a number of witnesses there in the room. HORSESHIT! I cannot speak to the charges concerning Bob Lazar, nor can I speak to the charges made by Cooper about George Knapp. I have spoken to Knapp very briefly concerning the open letter by Cooper, and his responce is to say the least, was less than complimentary toward Cooper. My refusal to speak to these charges comes not from any animousity toward these gentlemen, but more because I understand that in Mr. Lazar's case there are issues that we are not fully aware of, and that these issues must become evident before a final opinion or analysis can be made. This does not mean that I am taking a position re: the Lazar case, nor am I taking a position with regard to John Lear's material nor his hypothesis. I am however taking a position with regards to Bill Cooper. It is my opinion, based upon my own knowledge and experiences, which have been documented, and which I have said from the very beginning could well be mis-information, that Mr. Milton William Cooper has never seen ANY documentation similar to or the same as that documentation I claimed to have seen in the form of Grudge/Blue Book Report #13. It is further my opinion that Mr. Cooper having read "Bill Steinman's Book, UFO Crash at Aztec" and appendix number 7 in which I play a prominent part, believed that he could lay claim to having seen the same material --- FMail 0.90 @SEEN-BY 10/8 11/3 12/12 13/13 104/1 2 215 400 422 424 428 435 501 512 @SEEN-BY 104/605 617 801 820 106/116 107/33 115/887 138/112 139/630 @SEEN-BY 151/100 1000 1003 209/209 260/1 266/22 267/200 270/101 @SEEN-BY 283/657 321/109 396/1 1012/3 @PATH: 363/81 29 34 320 151/1003 13/13 104/1 424 422 * Origin: UFINET News BBS, (505)437-7198, (123/4.2) (86:9010/14) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (9089) Tue 8 Sep 92 10:19a By: Don Allen To: All Re: English-cooper - 2/3 St: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ @MSGID: 1:363/81.1@fidonet.org 7e085b2c @PID: FM 2.02 Message #7111 "UFO" Date: 24-May-90 15:24 From: Bill English To: All Subj: Bill Cooper/part2 without fear of being refuted since it was believed at the time of the books writing, that I was dead, and that they would be know one who could be qualified to refute his claims. It is further my opinion and belief that when it became apparent to a great many people, John Lear being the first to realise this, that Bill Cooper was a fraud, he immediately went on the attack attempting to discredit these same individuals with false statements, that were designed to bring into question their moral turpitude and standards, and their voracity. Additionally he began to take a very tragic death of a person well respected in the Field of UFO research, and subvert it from it true and tragic nature to the point of accusing government involvement and the involvement of those individuals who in point of fact were on his list of enemies. Among them John Lear, Mike Corbin, George Knapp and several others. I personally have proven Bill Cooper to be a liar. I proved this on the Billy Goodman Radio show when after Cooper got on the show and attacked me personally, accusing me of having called him and telling him that someone tried to kill my upon my return trip from the 1989 MUFON convention in Las Vegas, Billy invited me to appear on his show to present my evidence. During the course of Cooper's diatribe he stated that Len Stringfield and I appeared together on a radio show and that Len confronted me with this and I denied it. When I appeared on the Goodman show, I knew that Cooper would call and try to discredit me further, but I was ready for him. Prior to appearing on the show, I contacted Len Stringfield, whom I have known for sometime, and asked him to send a signed notarised statement which refuted everything Cooper had said. When Cooper called he re-interated everything he had said previously and then I had Goodman open the envelope that I had sent him containing the statement and had him read it on the air. The Statement refuted everything that Cooper had said. Ladies and gentlemen, I realise that the echos are not the place for this kind of thing, but it is my feeling and opinion that you should be made aware of certain facts concerning the players of this drama. Based on my own knowledge, and based on my own personal experiences Cooper is a danger to the serious research of Aerial Phenomenon and all of it's related fields. He tries to cause panic and fear based upon half truths and out and out lies..the public loves to be scared and this is something that he is aware of and is constantly capitalising on. Just recently he appeared in Scottsdale Arizona to give a speech and during the course of that speech came out with the statement that John Lear was Bill Moore's Falcon on that "UFO cover-up Live" travesty. What utter horeshit! If ever there was a disinformation agent in our midst, it's Bill Cooper! I remain Respectfully your, Bill English --- FMail 0.90 @SEEN-BY 10/8 11/3 12/12 13/13 104/1 2 215 400 422 424 428 435 501 512 @SEEN-BY 104/605 617 801 820 106/116 107/33 115/887 138/112 139/630 @SEEN-BY 151/100 1000 1003 209/209 260/1 266/22 267/200 270/101 @SEEN-BY 283/657 321/109 396/1 1012/3 @PATH: 363/81 29 34 320 151/1003 13/13 104/1 424 422 * Origin: UFINET News BBS, (505)437-7198, (123/4.2) (86:9010/14) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (9090) Tue 8 Sep 92 10:19a By: Don Allen To: All Re: English-cooper - 3/3 St: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ @MSGID: 1:363/81.1@fidonet.org 7e085b2d @PID: FM 2.02 Message #7112 "UFO" Date: 24-May-90 17:50 From: Bill English To: Bill Cooper Subj: YOU ARE A DANGER Bill, you've gone too far this time..It has become apparent that you are in serious need of professional help of some type. The charges and allegations that you have leveled are absolute hog wash. You say you have witnesses? Trot them out sir! Or is this like the tape that you were supposed to have had of me calling you while I was intoxicated. I gave you every opportunity to trot that out and play it on Adventure Radio, even to the point of signing a release giving you permission to do so, so that you could prove that I was a drunkard and a liar. Instead sir you neither produced the tape nor did you appear on the Radio Show the following night. Several weeks later I appeared on Billy Goodman's Radio Show knowing full well that you would call to try and salvage what little reputation you had. I burned you there on that one by producing a sworn affidavit from Len Stringfield stating that none of what you had claimed previously on his show was true, thereby proving you to be a liar once again. What galls me more than anything is the fact that I keep nailing you and you keep trying to drag everyone else down with you thinking that nobody sees what is happening. Bill it is my considered opinion and feeling that you are in serious need of help, and that YOU are the disinformation agent here, and that you are jeopardizing the serious work and research that the rest of us are trying to do by creating a negative public image of the whole field. The difference between me and John and the rest of those that you have name in you horse-shit allegations is the fact that they seem to just consider the source and blow it off, while I will go for the eggs and you know it...Want to go for round three??? I'm ready and waiting...BTW Bill, when you went awol for eight days in Hawaii what was the reason...were you on a drunken binge or what? Bill English --- FMail 0.90 @SEEN-BY 10/8 11/3 12/12 13/13 104/1 2 215 400 422 424 428 435 501 512 @SEEN-BY 104/605 617 801 820 106/116 107/33 115/887 138/112 139/630 @SEEN-BY 151/100 1000 1003 209/209 260/1 266/22 267/200 270/101 @SEEN-BY 283/657 321/109 396/1 1012/3 @PATH: 363/81 29 34 320 151/1003 13/13 104/1 424 422 * Origin: UFINET News BBS, (505)437-7198, (123/4.2) (86:9010/14)
