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(9622)  Mon 27 Jul 92 12:47a
By: Don Allen
To: All
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This was taken from the computer version of the Phoenix Liberator
Vol 19 #13, July 14, 1992. This is available via the Phoenix
Liberator BBS at 805-822-1309 . The filename for the following
excerpt is: EEB07091.ZIP and is found in Dir 7.

Note 1: This is Hatonn's response to Don Ecker's article that
recently appeared in UFO Magazine. Don's article is included
here with "Hatonn's" remarks in the format of: [H:.......] .

Note 2: I converted the document from (what appears to be)
Works! Wordpro format to "regular" ascii for the echo.

DISCLAIMER: I am posting this here for informational purposes
only, and as such will leave it up to you to determine
it's value (or lack thereof). In that regard, I make no
claims on the material save that you judge it for yourself.
Do with it what you will.

Note 3: This gets pretty STRONG so be advised of that BEFORE
proceeding. Keep in mind that this is "Hatonn's" response
and further reactions to _this_ article SHOULD BE directed
to HIM/George Green and ** not ** to me. ( I just the lowly
messenger here :-)

You can reach them at:

Phoenix Liberator
2810 W. Charleston Blvd.
Las Vegas,NV 89102
1-800-800-5565

Please note that this is a *new* address.


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             NEW  SERIES  BEGINNING

             Good gracious, a series about little old ME?!?  Or is it to
             tear down George Green whom the UFO "community" is after for
             bringing you the truth about "things" and "them"?  Let us
             let YOU decide--I am weary of "my" friends being the last to
             know what is going on.

             The following is from UFO, 30 Vol. 7, No. 4, 1992.  A copy
             of the "article" was sent to my attention on July 8, 1992 so
             I assume the issue is "new".  I think, for this particular
             group in point, it is interesting that the pictured copy of
             the LIBERATOR utilized was the one with the headline:
             Underground Bases Honeycomb U.S..  The adversary really
             didn't like THAT ONE.  My scribe is at a great disadvantage
             for she has no idea WHO in the world these people are who so
             graciously write about our work.  Perhaps Mr. Ecker (Don)
             will be relieved to know that I DO!  Furthermore, he may
             just not like what I have to say in "that sought after
             interview" he claims to desire with "Hatonn".  So be it.

             COPY:

             A  NEO-NAZI  ET?   'HATONN'S  WORLD'--PART I
             by Don Ecker

             In 1943, my father was a young merchant seaman on board a
             convoy leaving England to carry supplies to the Soviet
             Union.  The Second World War was at its height, and the
             United States, along with England, France and the Soviet
             Union, was locked in a life-and-death struggle with Nazi
             Germany.  The Nazis had overrun all of Western Europe,
             England was on her knees and everyone was sure that Russia
             was a rotting structure just waiting to topple.

             The supplies on board that convoy were intended to keep
             Russia in the war until such time as America could achieve a
             full war-time economy, and in concert with the British, the
             Russians and other peoples would ultimately beat the Nazi
             gangsters into the ground.

             There were other convoys headed toward Russia on a similar
             mission, and most did get through.  But my Dad's ship did
             not.  It was hit by a U-boat and then finished off by Nazi
             bombers.  (My father survived the ordeal.)

             As we all know, WW-II had a successful ending; the Nazi
             regime was destroyed, but by 1945, Nazis still had managed
             to kill about 20 million Russians, both military and
             civilian.

             The British lost just under a million people, both military
             and civilian, the French about 750,000 and Poland, 4 1/2
             million.  Loss of life in the death camps included 6 million
             Jews and 5 million Europeans of other races and backgrounds.

             Germany also suffered greatly.  By war's end, she had lost
             around 11 million people, which consisted of military and
             civilian casualties.  These figures are cited in The
             Encyclopedia of Military History, by Dupuy and Dupuy, Harper
             and Row, 1977.)

             I am sure you are by now wondering what this has to do with
             UFOs.

             We will get to that in a moment, but first let us drop back
             about 25 years to the dawning of the Age of Aquarius.  Back
             in 1967 and 1968, "flower power" was in.  It was not
             uncommon to turn on the television and see news broadcasts
             of "love-ins", sit-ins and crowds of young high school and
             college-age kids marching for peace and calling for
             acceptance and equality of all people everywhere.

             We were all human after all, and for many the '60s ushered
             in the new age of love and understanding.  There was no room
             for intolerance or bigotry.

             UFOs, on the other hand, were not faring quite as well under
             the scrutiny of Ed Condon at the University of Colorado's
             government-sponsored inquiry.  Later ridiculed by many,
             Condon's report seemed to ignore the many factual cases,
             instead concentrating on "contactee" or fringe-element
             reports.

             Contactee activity has been around as long as people have
             chased lights in the sky and thought often wacky and
             incredible, usually amounted to largely harmless claims.
             But much more recently, some of the contactee information
             has taken on darker overtones.

             In February, UFO became more directly involved in looking at
             some recent incarnations of the contactee message when a
             call came in from a reader in Chicago, who was inquiring
             about a publishing company called America West.

             Based in Tehachapi, California, [WRONG!!], America West
             Publishing is owned and operated by George and Desiree'
             Green.  (It has no relationship to the airline.)  The
             Greens' company regularly prints and distributes a newsprint
             publication called the PHOENIX LIBERATOR, formerly the
             PHOENIX JOURNAL EXPRESS, purported to be transmissions from
             an extraterrestrial in orbit around Earth.

             This alleged ET calls himself, according to George, Gyeorgos
             Ceres Hatonn, Commander in Chief, Earth Project Transition,
             Pleiades Sector Flight Command, Intergalactic Federation
             Fleet--Ashtar Command.  [H: He has a couple of things
             misconstrued--like being in the Command of someone named
             Ashtar.  Ashtar is only a label given the entity who heads
             the evacuation Command and Central Computer system and I
             only have occasional need to participate with that fleet in
             any association.  That association has been explained in
             detail in the JOURNALS.   Further, I am IN COMMAND--not
             Commander-in-Chief.  This is just for a bit of clarification
             for you readers of THIS document.  Moreover, I am only
             occasionally in "orbit around your planet", if the
             difference is important to you. ]  Earth Representative to
             the Cosmic Council and Intergalactic Federation Council on
             Earth Transition.  (But, he says, you can just call him
             "Hatonn.")  [H: Ah so! Would it be so "strange" if this
             author introduced himself as Mr. Don Ecker and said, you may
             call me "Don" or "Ecker"?  Do you condemn a being for being
             courteous and using good manners?  I do note that not many
             gracious manners are utilized by this one toward me and/or
             George Green and we have done NOTHING TO OR WITH HIM OR HIS
             MAGAZINE.  HOW DOES HE HAVE INSIGHT ENOUGH TO PRONOUNCE SUCH
             CARNAGE UPON OUR PRESENCE AND RIGHT OF EXISTENCE?  OR, IS
             THIS THE TYPE OF JOURNALISM NOW FULLY ACCEPTED AND RESPECTED
             IN YOUR CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT OF DISINFORMERS?]

             Hatonn is not a specifically channeled entity, however,
             Green says, "He sends the information on a military channel
             that is received and written down by the scribe, Dharma."
             Dharma is Doris Ekker, a 60-ish grandmother who purportedly
             receives and then writes down the transmission from
             Commander Hatonn.  [H: Well it is NOT a military channel.
             It is simply short-wave high-band transmission.  Further,
             have none of you ever heard of a "translator" or a
             "secretary"?  How quaint!]


-------Cont in Hatonn response part 2------------------------------------

Don

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(9623)  Mon 27 Jul 92 12:48a
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----------Hatonn response part 2---------------------------------------

             POLITICAL  COMMENTARY

             Cmdr. Hatonn does not limit himself to spiritual counsel.
             He is concerned with all aspects of life on Earth,
             particularly political aspects.  In the myriad writings
             attributed to Hatonn, he "rains wisdom" on every subject
             from the history and instability of neighborhoods in Cuba
             and Peru to the covert agenda of the world's power-brokers.
             (Issues which are, of course, very much related).  In
             DESTRUCTION OF A PLANET: ZIONISM IS RACISM, Hatonn intro-
             duces himself, saying, "Hatonn present in the Light of
             Radiance, in service unto God and Man."

             For an extraterrestrial, Hatonn is extremely well informed
             and opinionated on just about everything.  His diatribes
             encompass Reaganomics, medieval history, the "actual" origin
             of the Jews, the wisdom of incorporation and current
             American economic woes, and much more than can be described
             here.  [H: Thank you for taking notation of the above.  I
             will point out that in view of my accepted KNOWLEDGE of wide
             diversity--WHY WOULD MR. ECKER CHOOSE THIS PARTICULAR
             SUBJECT TO FOCUS UPON??? COULD IT BE WE HAVE AN ELITE
             GLOBALIST ON OUR HANDS OR SIMPLY A DISINFOR-
             MATION/MISINFORMATION COUNTERFEIT JOURNALIST???  I would
             suggest that almost ANY subject upon which I have written
             would be more valuable than the one he has chosen to blast
             universally and with intentional focus.  Or, will we find
             that Mr. Ecker doesn't READ AT ALL OR IF SO, VERY, VERY
             POORLY AND HIS ARITHMETIC AND RESEARCH CAPABILITIES ARE
             SORELY LACKING.]

             The transmissions have a familiar ring.  According to
             Hatonn--as recorded by "Dharma"--most of what is wrong with
             the world, and more specifically with America, is a "secret
             government" within the government.  This secret government
             or New World Order is controlled by "The Committee of 300"
             and international bankers.  [H: So?  And do not all of Mr.
             Ecker's FORMER FRIENDS state the same thing??  What have we
             here?  The UFO magazine's thrust has been the "secret
             government's cover-up of EVERYTHING--INCLUDING UFOs!]

             ANTI-SEMITIC  MEANING

             One of the caveats to interpreting common phrases such as
             "international bankers" is realizing its allusion to Jews
             and anti-Semitism.  [H: Good grief--how so?  I have told you
             over and over and over--SEMITES ARE NOT JEWS!  Surely Mr.
             Ecker, you can read better than THAT!]  When queried, Green
             denies having any anti-Semitic feelings himself.  But if he
             doesn't, Hatonn does.  [H: WRONG!  I AM A "SEMITE" AND SO IS
             GEORGE GREEN--you had better check out your historical
             research capabilities.]  According to the works flowing from
             America West Publishers, attributed to "Commander Hatonn,"
             most history is not what it is purported to be: books like
             Destruction of a Planet; Zionism IS Racism and The Trillion
             Dollar Lie: The HOLOCAUST, Vols. 1 and 2, assert that there
             was NO HOLOCAUST.  [H: WRONG.  There most certainly WAS a
             holocaust but NOT LIKE PRESENTED AND YOU REDUCE THE VERY
             HONOR TO THE ONES WHO "DID" SUFFER SO CRUELLY BY YOUR LIES
             AND DECEPTIONS!  IT IS NOT "I", SIR, WHO IS THE FOOL!]
             Hatonn says Jews are not really Jews, per se, but "Khazars,"
             who came out of the area that used to be the U.S.S.R.  [H:
             Indeed!]

             UFO material appears at times, with explanations no one else
             has come up with.  According to the word from Hatonn per
             George Green, for instance, the Tunguska explosion in
             Siberia in June of 1908 was actually a secret, 30-megaton
             atomic bomb designed and built by a secret society of
             British and German scientists.  Green tells UFO that the
             bomb was delivered by a balloon.  [H: Where have you been
             Mr. Ecker??  Scientists on YOUR PLACE gave that information
             and a whole lot more and it has been written up in major
             well accepted news-letters such as Antony Sutton's works.
             There was a magnificent plan to actually tilt the planet
             with that explosion except the perpetrators couldn't get
             their time-zone changes correctly computed!  As to balloon
             delivery: they did not have SR-71s and C-130's to utilize in
             clandestine activities as are present TODAY.  Besides it
             would have been most propitious to use such "silent running"
             craft, would it not?]

             'NO  HOLOCAUST'

             [H: Methinks this man has a hang-up of some sort for out of
             some sixty JOURNALS, he can't seem to get rid of a nagging
             urge to beat this to death--something like does the ADL
             (branch of British Intelligence), WZO, WJC, and "hate crime"
             squealers.  Do not you readers find this interesting?  A
             "UFO" journal and no mention or curiosity is even SHOWN
             about possible UFO knowledge or possibilities of gleaning
             some information regarding the cosmos--JUST DEAL WITH
             GARBAGE, LIES AND DISINFORMATION AS NEARLY AS I CAN DISCERN.
             If YOU were given possible chance of information from a
             Space-command officer and a "Host" of Holy God who knows
             enough to see to it that the very workings of God and
             Universe is put to JOURNAL--would you ask about the numbers
             in Germany in the 1940's?  Would you not think it wise to
             choose something which would actually be of interest to the
             masses and possibly give you insight to what confronts you
             as a species and civilization?  So be it.]

             There were no death camps in Germany or Poland, according to
             the Phoenix material.  [H: Mr. Ecker: you are full of it, as
             you later say about "me".  There were camps in which death
             was incredibly massive so I suggest you GO READ THE MATERIAL
             AS WRITTEN AND POSSIBLY EVEN WRITE WITHOUT SELECTED TAKE-
             OUTS, THE WHOLE LOT OF MATERIAL--I HEREIN GIVE YOU
             PERMISSION TO REPRINT EVERY WORD I HAVE WRITTEN AND MY
             "BROTHERS" AS WELL!  IN FACT, IF I HAD THE TIME I WOULD
             INSIST THAT YOU DO SO--IN YOUR SO-CALLED RESEARCH JOURNAL!]
             "There were not even six million Jews in all of Europe prior
             to the start of the war," Green stated.  According to him
             and Hatonn, the copious number of photographs that showed
             the world the horrors endured by victims incarcerated in the
             Nazi concentration camps were misinterpreted; the mountains
             of dead, starved bodies, the tattooed numbers on the arms of
             all inmates, even small children, were all a fabrication.
             [H: Mr. Ecker--it is hard to believe you could twist
             statements to THIS extent by utilizing the term ALL, etc.
             Do you not think that even a deceiver would be more cautious
             than to make such encompassing and stupid statements?  It
             seems the term "all" in both instances is YOURS, not Mr.
             Green's.]

----------Cont in Hatonn response part 3-------------------------------

Don

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(9624)  Mon 27 Jul 92 12:49a
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-----------Hatonn response part 3--------------------------------------


             In a casual tone of voice, Green told UFO that those corpses
             were actually dead Germans that Gen. Dwight David
             Eisenhower, World War II Supreme Allied Commander and future
             President of the United States, had once interned in the
             former Nazi "work camps".  Then, Green Said, Eisenhower
             allowed them to starve to death.  [H: Gads, Mr. Ecker, where
             have YOU BEEN?  Have you been so narrow in your research as
             to not READ what is available??  Try Spotlight, The New
             Federalist and dozens of other resources, AND how about the
             book called OTHER LOSSES by Bacque, which was "banned" in
             the U.S.?  My, my, it would appear it is YOU who dwells in
             "outer space" and not Hatonn!]

             Of course, Green added, this is not his own information, but
             facts from the almost-omniscient Commander Hatonn, who stays
             in orbit and beams down wisdom from the stars.  [H: Nope--no
             information from the "stars"--although I can give you a lot
             of information ABOUT THOSE STARS!  "Almost-omniscient"?  Not
             too bad!]

             On page 162 of ZIONISM IS RACISM, Cmdr. Hatonn claims the
             Nazis decided "Since force could not be used (to get the
             Jews out of Germany) for fear of potential international
             repercussions, the way to break down their resistance was to
             instill a distinctive Jewish identity amongst them by
             systematically promoting Jewish schools, athletic teams,
             Hebrew, Jewish art and music, etc.  Combined with Zionist
             occupational re-training centers, this would induce the
             recalcitrant Jews to abandon their homeland."  [H: Commander
             Hatonn "claims" this?  Go read again, Mr. Ecker--that was a
             direct "quote" from an "earth" document and Hatonn "claims"
             nothing of the sort!  This happened to be truth BUT NOW IS
             USED TOTALLY OUT OF CONTEXT IN THIS ARTICLE IN UFO as the
             entire article is relative to Unidentified Flying Objects
             and possible Cosmic (space) information and/or focus.  If
             you are trying to discredit me, Mr. Ecker--you are ONLY
             discrediting self!  I am come as a Host of God--and I find
             you ALSO AVOID THAT SUBJECT LIKE IT WILL GIVE YOU A BAD CASE
             OF PLAGUE.]

             HITLER'S  'MEIN KAMPF'

             We all know how very unconcerned the Nazi regime was about
             world opinion in 1936, when Hitler ordered German troops to
             re-occupy the Rhineland in violation of the Treaty at
             Versaille.  Hitler had spelled out his plan years before in
             Mein Kampf, the book that became the Nazi bible.  In Mein
             Kampf, Hitler stated for the record that he would "settle
             with the Jews".  [H: Is that supposed to mean "slay them
             all"?--"gas them all?"--what mean you when you say, for
             instance, that you "...will settle with Mr. Cooper"--on the
             AIR yet?!  Does that mean that you will murder him?  How
             come you to this conclusion?  Taken out of context as you
             have, perhaps it meant he was going to settle accounts and
             pay them all they were owed?  How about--settling by giving
             them Germany or Palestine?  How is it you come to this
             particular conclusion which "infers" annihilation?  Perhaps
             that is what it meant--but more likely, as with your own
             statement regarding Mr. Cooper--you didn't like accounts in
             some fashion and "would settle...."?  You even claimed Mr.
             Cooper had threatened to "kill" you! and you stated that on
             an open radio interview--what are you, Mr. Ecker?  Perhaps
             you would like me to share more with our readers, and
             yours!]

             In America(n) [sic, sic] West's volume entitled SPACE GATE,
             THE VEIL REMOVED, it appears that Commander Hatonn is not
             above plagiarizing.  Taking sections from some of the
             voluminous tracts of Milton William Cooper (Cooper at one
             point threatened that he was going to sue Green), Hatonn put
             in his own words that tired old canard: "YES, DEAR ONES,
             PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY WAS MURDERED BY THE SECRET SERVICE
             AGENT WHO DROVE HIS CAR IN THE MOTORCADE." (All capitalized)
             [H: (ALL CAPITALIZED): I JUST WROTE IT AGAIN!  THE FATAL
             SHOTS WERE FIRED BY GREER FROM THE LIMO DRIVER'S SEAT AND BY
             HUNT FROM THE "GRASSY KNOLL".  There were many involved and
             I have named almost all of them in one place or another.  By
             the way, JUST WHAT IS IT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND, SIR?  Funny
             thing about "plagiarizing"--TRUTH CANNOT BE PLAGIARIZED!
             Furthermore, I continually get correspondence urging me to
             look into the fact that "...Cooper is plagiarizing your
             work, Hatonn!"  Can't have it BOTH WAYS, chelas!  NOW, WHAT
             DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT INCIDENT, I WONDER??  WHOSE
             SIDE MIGHT YOU BE ON, SIR?  YOU SOUND PRETTY SELF-
             INCRIMINATING TO ME.]

             THE TRILLION DOLLAR LIE, THE HOLOCAUST, again supposedly the
             dictums of Commander Hatonn, delivers rhetoric that sounds
             terrifyingly close to fascist propaganda.  In it, we get the
             text of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", which purport
             to be a blueprint for a "Zionist" or Jewish takeover.
             Redundant quotes include, "Anarchy is something that the Jew
             promotes relentlessly.  While in complete control of the
             financial powers of the state, they promote internecine
             strife..."  [H: What would you have me do, misquote a
             document utilized as an action blueprint for centuries??  I
             did not WRITE THE PROTOCOLS but you seem to present this as
             if somehow I DID!  Nope, sorry--they came right along before
             and with the Communist Manifesto, Nazi Manifesto and now
             your New World Order--New World PLAN 2000.]  Later, on page
             153, Hatonn says that after a state exhausts itself during
             war or civil war, "IT CAN THEN, IN ANY CASE, BE ACCOUNTED AS
             IRRETRIEVABLY LOST AND IN THE POWER OF THE JEWS."  Yet,
             Hatonn bills himself as an extraterrestrial bringer of
             light, condescendingly referring to his readers as
             "misguided children".  Could Hatonn be a mouthpiece for
             someone else?

             [H: Yes, I COULD be.  But I am not.  I do suggest however,
             that I would not deprive you of the privilege of holding
             that honor, Mr. Don Ecker!]

             Part Two of this article will examine more of the
             information offered by America West.  Don Ecker will attempt
             a direct interview of Hatonn, as well as speak to several
             survivors of the "non-existent" Jewish Holocaust.

             * * *

             END OF QUOTING.


---------Cont in Hatonn response part 4-----------------------------------

Don

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(9625)  Mon 27 Jul 92 12:51a
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------------Hatonn response part 4----------------------------------------


             Attempt an interview of Hatonn????  Attempt??  It seems any
             who have efforted to speak with Hatonn have received
             gracious time and service, although often I have been
             invited to attend your "interviews" and only have received
             threats, insults and stupidity in return for the reception.
             If this is your thrust and intent of dealing with such a
             subject in point--wherein you will "interview several
             survivors of the 'non-existent' Jewish Holocaust" I suggest
             you are really "reaching", Mr. Ecker!  I have yet to witness
             A SINGLE "SURVIVOR" WHO SAW ANYTHING PRONOUNCED AS HAVING
             HAPPENED AS TO DEATH CAMPS!  I DO NOTE, HOWEVER, THAT THOSE
             "SURVIVORS" ARE VERY WILLING TO EXECUTE INNOCENT PEOPLE SUCH
             AS DEMJANJUK FOR CRIMES "NOT" COMMITTED.

             I would appreciate you readers giving me even ONE good
             REASON why I should subject my people to this nerd?  He
             wants to know my relationship with my people?  How about his
             relationship with one Vickie Cooper of UFO?  When we speak
             of Hatonn, it should be noted that ones need to begin to
             think in terms of God, God's COMMANDMENTS and Creation's
             Universal LAWS.

             YOU, Mr. Ecker, do NOT WANT AN INTERVIEW WITH ME--you want
             more games in order to discredit Truth and cover your own
             insecure and ridiculous assets.  You seem to tell the
             audience WHO HATONN IS--when will you tell them WHO YOU ARE?

             Ones such as you, Mr. Ecker, have turned what could have
             been a worthy JOURNAL for information into what is nothing
             more than a rag-sheet of drivel and misinformation of the
             highest form.  The articles are without merit, basis or
             truth in almost all instances and you dishonor anyone who
             would give you truth through just such articles as the
             foregoing.  I do not judge you--I simply "judge" your work
             and actions and I find them sorely wanting value or truth.
             Your thrust is obviously toward misinformation and Elite
             involvement to cover-up and disinformation--in order to
             further deceive readers seeking truth.

             Your world is coming apart and you would utilize trite
             misguidance and that would appear to me to be only a mammoth
             discredit to your own integrity.  I would guess, herein,
             however, that Mr. William Cooper and I are in pretty much
             identical harmony concerning the type of writer as are you.
             I sanction neither of your behaviors--but I do suggest that,
             at least, in spite of flammable temper, problems of control
             through many means and misguided direction--HE AT LEAST
             TRIES TO BRING TRUTH WHEREIN YOU DELIBERATELY BREAK IT DOWN
             INTO A RUBBISH HEAP OF YOUR OWN GARBAGE.  Now, rightfully
             so--as you so often quoted above: this is "...in Hatonn's
             opinion".  I would, however, measure my some sixty books
             against your representations of almost everything you
             "cover".  So be it.

             Consider this to be "PART II" of your "series".  I don't
             think you actually want a personal interview with me--unless
             you can change the content and, therefore, it seems most
             unwise of me to do that to my people already being quite
             aware of a "fixed" setting.

             In fact, you desire self-ego stroking with your clever
             articles and accusations of false thrust and worse
             perception--please feel free to print this as Part II.  You
             have stirred up others on the "Get Green and Hatonn Trail"
             and it is going to be most costly and painful to them, also,
             and I think they will not thank you for your "service" unto
             them.  When in a "nest of thieves" the "thief" cannot find
             the foolishness of his visible projection.

             I am pleased to see that you are reading some of our
             material, however, and hope that some of it rubs off on your
             intelligence seeking brain system.  One more presentation of
             a "sighting" from the 40's or 50's is going to make me
             heave-up.  Do you not think the world and space has perhaps
             changed since half a century?  Who cares about 1950 when you
             face the New World Order TODAY?  In fact, how can you remain
             chained to a 1940 scenario as above--when the REAL HOLOCAUST
             is descending upon you?  Ah indeed, I have no need to inter-
             view one with such limited vision and narrow insight--I
             would consider it a disservice to the readers seeking Truth.

             If this be your leadership representatives, readers, I have
             only compassion, or perhaps simple "pity", for you of
             mankind.  Blessings upon you of vision who can understand
             the circumstances confronting your species and globe.
             Blessings upon you who can see the dangers to your
             Constitution and your freedom--Pity upon you ones who dwell
             in the dark places and insist ALL OTHERS REMAIN IN THE DARK
             WITH YOU.

             Salu

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By: Don_-_showen@cup.portal.com
To: All
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Date: 5 Aug 92 14:38:26 GMT
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Len asks
>Does anyone out here have any information regarding George Green? There are
>a growing number of people (myself included) who are beginning to feel that
>Green is actively working with the CIA to produce disinformation regarding
>UFOs and ETs. A good mystery always did stir up my circulation! :^)

>Does anyone have any info on this guy?

>Thank You
>Len

No folks,  I did not pay Len to ask that! :-).  But since he did I feel a
necessity to respond to that publicly.  I am a champion of channeling and
consider Hatton to be the ahole of the universe, not in the least
channeling. To repeat what I have said in another post,  the Hatton material
will cause brain rot. And I mean that in the truest sense of the meaning.
In the few paragraphs I have read I have seen numerous lies and deceptions.
The material is designed to keep one in their negative ego and in fear and
paranoia. George Green is using Billie Meiers pictures of the Beamships and
Laserguns from the Pleiades as a front for his phony channeling operation.
The channel hooked George Green by sending him a letter saying he was one
of 25 protected by commander supreme ahole of the universe, Hatton.  There
was an entity named Hatton who,  years ago,  came through a person named
Richard Miller who started an organization called Solar Cross.  Their
information and personalities are entirely different. As an example of lies
from the books, I will give you a good one.  In the book Stargate Hatton
says Samjase and Asket are from the Pleiades. Anyone who has studied the
case knows that Samjase was from the Pleiades and that Asket is from the
DAL Universe, one parallel to ours.  Now come on, if Hatton is some kind of
commander, wouldn't one think a commander would know which universe those
ladies were flying their beamships from?

The Hatton that is coming through American West Publishers is probably the
entity of Calvin coming back to preach more hell and damnation.  If any of
you chose to rot your mind with Cosmic Calvinism go ahead read some Hatton.
But please remember Hatton IS NOT CHANNELING!!!!! Channeling brings about a
feeling of love and light, inspiration, upliftment, and increased life
energy (more living).

I recently learned something from a entity I am a new student of, named,
Philip. Hanging out in thoughts and emotions of fear and its associates
like death or imagined threats to survival cause the creation of lots of
imagined death scenes.  These activities generate sub personalities, these
subpersonalites can become so strong they take over the body and lifetime
by inflecting the genetic memory from past lives containing fear, death,
etc onto the body.  This subpersonality can completely idle the spiritual
personality that came here for its specific goals. Also there is another
phenomena that occurs.  We are overly addicted to death. So the thoughts of
fear and death cause psychological deaths to occur to feed the addiction.
But here is the important point.  Each one of these death thoughts we have
causes the soul (life force) to separate more from the body. It is like the
subpersonality has taken over and the soul-lifeforce-spirit withdraws
because it knows there is not going to be any time or body to fulfill its
purposes here.  It is truly,  literally a lost soul. That is the true sin
of American West Publishing.  They are not only turning people off to
channeling,  they are presenting the bleakest of an infinite number of
possible futures. Few, if any of Hattons doomsday predictions have come true
or ever will.

One of their followers showed up at our Family of Light meeting and was
selling welding glasses to block out the light because Hatton is telling him
he should be prepared for the worst.  I found out that what I call light
and what others call light is entirely different.



Don Showen

BTW I printed 12 Meier photos in black and white on one 8x10 sheet. The 12
consist of 2 with Meier holding the Lasergun, 1 of Meier, the beautiful 1
of Samjases beamship, the one with the jet flying by the Beamship, the one
with witnesses and a beamship in the same picture. 1 with 3 ships in it, 3
of a ship flying, 1 of the newer class of ship parked in Meiers front yard,
2 of that same ship flying by trees, and 1 of a ship touching a tree, and
last a picture of the lady from the DAL universe, Asket.  I am willing to
share them with anyone who sends a SASE to

Pleiadian Group
1030 Corvette Dr.
San Jose, Ca. 95129

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f a ship touching a tree, and last a picture of the lady from the DAL universe, Asket. I am willing to share them with anyone who sends a SASE to

Pleiadian Group 1030 Corvette Dr. San Jose, Ca. 95129

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