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(2411) Sat 25 Jan 92 11:23a
By: Marc Milanini
To: All
Re: Re: Albert Einstein From Ummo ???
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From: marcmil@microsoft.com (Marc MILANINI)
Date: 24 Jan 92 22:21:18 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Message-ID: <1992Jan24.222118.24307@microsoft.com>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
In article <1992Jan17.153021.9566sheaffer@netcom.COM> sheaffer@netcom.COM
(Robert Sheaffer) writes:
>In article <1992Jan16.124915.5836@ugle.unit.no> klippgen@lise.unit.NO (William
Klippgen) writes:
>>According to this information, several famous people on earth are of
>>'Ummonian' origin, such as Einstein and Marx.
>>
>This is a famous contactee-oriented UFO case, with photographs, from
>Madrid, Spain, starting in 1965.
>
>Dr. Claude Poher of the French National Center for Space Research (CNES)
>investigated this incident, and concluded it was a hoax. (No, Poher is
>NOT a skeptic; he accepts other UFO cases.) His analysis was published
>byt the Center for UFO Studies in its Spring, 1977 Bulletin.
>
>His conclusion: "These studies indicate that the photographs are a hoax,
>produced by using a small model of translucent plastic, on which the
>insignia was drawn in ink. This model was suspended for the photographer by
>means of a very fine line ... "
>
>--
>
> Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
>
> Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized!
>
> "Simply follow nature, Rousseau declares. Sade, laughing,
> grimly agrees." - Camille Paglia, "Sexual Personae"
Thanks for that information. The "Ummo" case is still vivid in France. A
few months ago, a "Directeur de Recherche" -Research Manager- of the CNRS
-National Center for Scientific Research- published a book about that. His
name is Jean-Pierre Petit, and the title of his book must be "Enquete sur
les Extra-terrestres qui sont deja parmi nous" -Investigation on the ETs
who are already among us-. Here is a summary of that book.
The "Ummits" are so-called ETs who are in contact with several persons,
especially in Spain. They communicate with the contactees via mail, sending
them information about their planet, their arrival on the Earth, ...
The first thing is that they landed on Earth around 1953, which of course
invalidates the possibility of Einstein or even Marx to be one of them.
They have described quite precisely the place where they landed: it is near
Digne in the south of France. JP Petit has been there and found that the
description was so accurate that only someone who had visited the mountains
around Digne could have written it. After that, they spread to Spain, and
several other countries, and began to study our society. In the letters they
sent to contactees, they told about several incidents which happened to them,
and again, JP Petit found articles in some spanish nespapers relating strange
things that have arrived then (like the finding of one the Ummit labs).
The "Ummits" are allegedly quite similar to us, the only difference being that
they have a stain on their body. They live on a planet revolving around a star
that is yet to be identified (it is much like the Sun, G6 class if my memory
serves well), about 15 light years far. Their system of government could be
qualified of "communist". In the letters that contactees receive, there is
not a single trace of humor or metaphor. Still today, people keep on receiving
letters from them (26 years after the first ones !). The only condition for
being chosen is to show interest in the case, by going to meetings with other
contactees for example, and not use the letters for one's own purpose.
It seems that, like in lots of other abduction cases, the contactees have
used the letters for their own publicity. JP Petit asserts that the "Ummits"
stopped writing to them at once. But there are still many meetings around them
with people saying that their parents are ETs, ... (example taken from the
book).
The most interesting thing about that case is that JP Petit has used, or
found inspiration to be more precise, in some
of the scientific material found in the Ummit letters to publish Physics
articles in refered publications. His articles deal mainly with the
possibilities of parallel universes, time, general relativity. JP Petit is
regarded as quite prominent in those fields. He believes that the Ummo letters
can only be written by people having a very extensive knowledge of general
relativity, and physics. I must say that he is very much biased towards
believing in ufos, and he has carried out studies about their mode of
propulsion. He thinks that MHD is bound to be the solution (he is also an
expert in that field BTW). Nevertheless, I personnally think that he has
kept all the characteristics of a good scientist. I am sure that he considers
all that "New Age" stuff as having nothing to do with real Ufology, for
example.
Sorry for not quoting exactly which publications JP Petit made. I left the
book in France, and it will take me time to get it back.
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(937) Thu 13 Feb 92 12:10p
By: Joe Martinez
To: All
Re: Ummo
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From: Joe@Phoenix.CAM.ORG (Joe Martinez)
Date: 12 Feb 92 22:11:43 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization
Message-ID: <Joe.3302@Phoenix.CAM.ORG>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.sci.physics.new-theories
I know it's been a few days since this subject was originally discussed when
I posted a follow-up. Unfortunately I'm having problems with my news-reader
and my follow-up bounced back. I got another news-reader and I'm posting my
follow-up. I hope it gets there this time, drop me a line by e-mail to let
me know, thanks. :-)
>
> More about the "Ummits"...
>
> In article <1992Jan28.160758.7249sheaffer@netcom.COM> sheaffer@netcom.COM
(Robert Sheaffer) writes:
> >In article <jms.06ux@vanth.UUCP> jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
> >>
> >>I find it hard to believe that a star only 15 LY away hasn't been
> >>identified yet. But otherwise, that was a fascinating article.
> >
> >I find it IMPOSSIBLE to believe this, as that star would be a bright,
> >*naked eye* object. Without doing the detailed calculation, at 4
> >light years, a solar-like star, Alpha Centauri, is magnitude 0.
> >At 10 parsecs (32.6 LYR), the sun would be mag 5, a faint star but
> >still visible to the naked eye. So at 15 LYR you're at something
> >like magnitude 2, roughly like the stars in the Big Dipper.
> >
> >And scientists still haven't *noticed* this star yet, nooooooo!
> >
Not quite so... At first I had the same impression. Jean-Pierre Petit
appeared in an interview for the French magazine "VSD" (in the September
15th '91 issue I believe), where according to the information given in a
diagram, the star (Wolf 424) was supposed to be located in the Virgo
constellation, pretty much between the tip of the two upper arms represented
by the figure drawn by the Virgo constellation. Then I started searching
through my two astronomy programs (Distant Suns 4.0 and Voyager on my Amiga)
and couldn't locate the star in question. Finally, I picked an option from
Voyager's menu which brings up a 3D view of nearby stars and found it!
The star goes by the name of "Wolf 424QA" and has a magnitude of 13.2,
an absolute magnitude of 15.0, at position RA: 12h 33.0m; Dec: +09 deg 07',
and at a distance of 4.3 parsecs or 14.2 light years. This position places it
exactly where shown on the diagram and the distance approximates 15 ly.
At a magnitude of 13.2, it isn't in the program's database (which includes
stars up to mag. 8.5) and is definitely not visible to the naked eye.
>
> I see that this is the main point that has interested you. It is true
> that such a star could be identified very easily if the Ummit letters
> were more specific. Again, I don't have the book with me, but I recall
> that only two or three stars were corresponding to their description.
> So far, no hint has been given to choose among them. Your calculations
> are certainly correct, a star like the the Sun would be visible
> to the naked eye at such a distance.
>
> What bothers me the most in that story is the fact that the Ummits
> warn the contactees never to accept anything that they write as granted.
> On the contrary, they should always doubt of the letters they receive.
>
> >
> >--
> >
> > Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
> >
> > Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when
authorized!
> >
> > "Simply follow nature, Rousseau declares. Sade, laughing,
> > grimly agrees." - Camille Paglia, "Sexual Personae"
>
> I like to discuss on a scientific basis about such stories. As I told
> you, JP Petit, although very much biased towards believing in ufos, is
> not the kind of guy to be abused by the kind of stuff that I read from
> time to time in this newsgroup -especially today-. He doubts himself
> of the story he tells in his book, but the scientific content he found
> in the letters makes him think that at least very imaginative and
> knowledgeable people are behind it. As far as I am concerned, I believe
> that JP Petit could very well transform certain science-fiction books
> in refered scientific articles. So, that case is very likely to be a hoax.
> I would like to be more familiar with the Ummit litterature to make up
> my mind by myself.
I've assisted to a conference given by JP Petit up here in Montreal last
year in November. He's 54 years old, a world class physicist and a director
of research at the French CNRS (Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique).
He's conducted research and written several papers in the fields of
astrophysics, Cosmology and been on the forefront of (bear with me :-)
MagnetoHydroDynamics research.
He claims that much of his research over the past 15 years comes from or has
been based on the Ummit letters he has acces to, through a Spanish esotericist:
Antonio Ribera, who claims to be receiving them by mail (typed in Spanish with
hand drawn diagrams) from the Ummits that have apparently infiltrated our
society. I had the opportunity to examine photocopies of some of the original
letters. Mr. Petit maintains that althought most of the scientific theory
described in the letters was and is still being researched, the level of
detail and understanding of the subjects discussed, along with the totally
new, original, extremelly elegant and scientically sound solutions proposed
and developped by the letters are far beyond the reach of any pranksters or
cranks and even probably most physicits. Therefore, he tends to conclude
that as the letters pretend, their source is probably from extra-terrestrial
hands.
JP Petit gives a pretty good conference and is a likeable fellow. However
he doesn't seem to like ufologists at all :-(, being of the opinion that
ufology is not a science and is totally lacking scientific rigor as well as
credibility in most cases. He despises being labelled by anyone as a
ufologist and rejects the label. He is one of the first in the scientific
community to put is personal as well as professional credibility on the line
and will usually defend himself from his peers with his credentials and by
prooving the scientific formalism of his theories.
Jean-Pierre Petit has authored two books on the subject despite himself.
Both are originally in French, I don't know if they have been translated
into English. They're published in France by "Editions Albin Michel S.A.",
22 rue Huyghens, 75014 Paris. The first one is: "Enquete sur les ovni"
(Inquiry on UFO'S) which may still be out of print. The second is titled:
"Enquete sur des extra-terrestres qui sont deja parmi nous" (Inquiry on
Extra-Terrestrials Which Are Already Among Us); ISBN 2-226-05515-0.
Both can be ordered for 57 French Francs (FOB) directly from the distributor:
Editions Belin, 8 rue Ferou, 75006 Paris; or so it says in the last page.
I have copy of the latter authographed by JP Petit himself. :-) Unfortunately,
I've only broused through it so far, it's on my book reading queue, but it's
up next. :-) there are 6 appendices to this book, the first a qualitative
comment on the science contained within the Ummit letters, the next three
are scientific papers published by Petit and written in English and the last
two are scientific papers published in French.
For what it's worth, here is a table that comes from the Ummit litterature
(not the Petit book) ant that compares the Earth/Sun system to the Ummit's
alleged home planet: Ummo and their sun: Iumma.
EARTH UMMO
equatorial radius (maximum) 6 378 388 km 7 251 608 km
polar radius (minimum) 6 356 912 km 7 016 091 km
planetary mass (metric tons) 5 979 trillion 9 360 trillion
inclination of axis 23 deg 27' 30" 18 deg 39' 56.3"
period of rotation 24.38 hours 30.92 hours
gravitational acceleration 9.81 m/s^2 11.88 m/s^2
non-covered land (by water) 29.2 % 38.16 %
distance from it's sun 149 504 000 km 99 600 000 km
duration of year 365 days 212 days
diameter of planet 12 756 776 km 14 503 215 km
orbit eccentricity 0.0167 0.007833
SUN IUMMA
mass 1.991 x 10^30 kg 1.48 x 10^30 kg
temperature 5 785 deg Kelvin 4 580.3 deg Kelvin
magnitude 4.73 7.4
spectral class G2 K
distance from Sun -- 14.421 light years
on 8-7-1967
Note: Magnitude from this table does not match (not by a long shot) that of
program database. Also I had no spectral class data from program
to compare with table...
>
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