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Key Words: ParaNet, UFO, Ufology


(5241)  Sun 14 Jun 92 12:24p
By: Brian 'rev P-k' Siano
To: All
Re: Silly William Cooper Stuff
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Date: 14 Jun 92 00:23:05 GMT
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       I found the following messages on an old buffered disk while
converting some files. It was posted a year ago to an Atari ST/Fidonet echo.
(I got it from STarlight in Philadelphia (215) 879-8886, which apparently got
it through the Cheyenne Mountain BBS, and there it was reposted from the
Third World BBS at 818-700-9591.)

        I've been trying to confirm whether the latter that follows really
was written by UFO 'investigator' William Cooper. It _could_ have been
written by some doofus trying to give Cooper a bad rep-- but somehow, I get
the feeling that whoever decided to recirculate it believed Cooper's end of
things, and felt that by giving it some play he'd be helping Cooper out.

        Still, the letter is a bit sordid, so I caution everyone that the
letter might not be authentic. If someone could confirm or disconfirm it, I'd
be grateful.


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Conf : I saw a UFO?
Msg# : 23  Lines: Extended  Read: 1
Sent : Jun 8, 1991  at 12:44 AM
To   : Jym Fox
From : Don Allen at Cheyenne Mountain BBS
Subj : Cooper -Part 1



The following text is what started the "ball" rolling when
Timmy Bennett posted to the Fido UFO a letter from Bill
Cooper off of his CAJI BBS. It's being re-posted here in
it's *entirety*, headers and all. YOU be the judge of
Milton William Cooper :-)

This is PART 1 of 5 parts:

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Message #8941 - UFO
   Date : 20-May-90 20:47
   From : T.S. Bennett
     To : All
Subject : Cooper answers Corbin/Knapp

OPEN LETTER by Bill Cooper-
TO MIKE CORBIN, GEORGE KNAPP, BILL MOORE, AND JOHN LEAR.
I have been expecting the government to launch an attack
designed to discredit me for 2 years and I have publicly
stated that I expected this to happen. It has finally
happened and what a relief. The governments cannon only went
Friedman have gathered in Las Vegas. How convenient can it
be? Mike Corbin, the all mighty high dictator of Paranet,
has just this week posted a crippled and weak attack leveled
against me by himself and George Knapp, Lear's man in
television and the only journalist alive who would go out on
a limb to support the phony story of Bob Lazar. As usual
Mike Corbin and George Knapp did not bother to do any
checking whatsoever to see if their ranting and raving could
hold any water. Of course that is the usual policy of
paranet and it is expected. It is not the policy of
journalists, however, and George Knapp should have checked
with me. If he was afraid to call me he could have just
called my board and checked the facts for himself. It is
George Knapp who wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on
the ass and it is Lazar and Lear who are liars and frauds.
The Lazar story was reported to CAJI by a source in Las
Vegas who stated that "Lazar had been arrested". The source
was a man named Cory, a close friend of John Lear. Did he do
it to set me up? I posted it in the newsletter. I then asked
a member of CAJI to check the story for me and report the
"facts". This was done and the story in the newsletter was
changed to read that "Lazar was accused" only a few hours
later and that is the way the story has been posted ever
since as you can see since it is still posted. The members
of this board can attest to that. Another source verified
the story and all 3 mentioned that Bob Lazar has been
accused of running a drug lab. Since these 3 people stated
that Lazar was accused of running a drug lab I included it
in the story. Since they stand by their statement I stand by
the story. I wish to make it known at this point that John
Lear told me that Lazar had a speed lab somewhere. Since I
knew he had a jet car I thought he mean't something to do
with the car. I did not make the REAL connection with that
statement until Cory and others phoned the story to me. Two
other people have stated to me that Lear told them that
Lazar had a drug lab.
I knew about the prostitution involvement a long time ago
when at Lear's home I witnessed Lear, drunk as a skunk, call
Lazar and ask him to send a hooker over. Lear asked us if we
wanted a hooker. I told him not no, but hell no. The others
present also declined. About an hour later a hooker showed
up and lear and the girl disappeared for a while and then
they came back. I did not see what transpired between them.
There were 4 other people present besides me. She bummed
cigarettes off of everone and chain smoked them until there
were no more left among us and then she pulled out her own
pack. John Lear paid her a wad of money and she left. All of
us present were angry and embarrassed by Lear's behavior.
Lazar sent her over and we all heard Lear make the call.
Lazar and Lear are the end of George Knapp's career unless
Knapp gets wise real fast and I mean real fast. I'm not the
only one ready to spill the beans on Lazar and Lear.

--- Opus-CBCS 1.10.vi
 *   Origin:   Third   World.   818-700-9591  *STOP   APARTHEID*   HST
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Conf : I saw a UFO?
Msg# : 24  Lines: Extended  Read: 1
Sent : Jun 8, 1991  at 12:45 AM
To   : Jym Fox
From : Don Allen at Cheyenne Mountain BBS
Subj : Cooper -Part 2



This is Part 2 of a re-post of Bill Cooper's letter
via Timmy Bennett from last year, on the Fido UFO echo.

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Message #8942 - UFO
   Date : 20-May-90 20:48
   From : T.S. Bennett
     To : All
Subject : Cooper answers Corbin/Knapp contd.
Replies : -> #8943

You had better believe that I would never post this story if
there had not been 4 other witnesses. Lear and Knapp have
left me no choice. I have many more tales to tell and will
not hesitate if I am forced to do it. I told Lear a long
time ago (June 1989 to be exact) that he was safe as long as
he didn't try to get any wilder with his story or try to
mess with me. At that time I believed that he was doing more
good than harm even though I knew he was Condor and was CIA
all the way.
That same weekend I was forced to remove a loaded, cocked,
45 cal. automatic pistol from Lear's possession after he
placed it against his temple and threatened suicide. I did
it once in the morning when we were alone and again the same
evening in front of 5 others who witnessed the event. John
pretended to be despondent because he was to much of a
coward to sign his name to the "INDICTMENT" that I sent to
Congress. I was not afraid John would kill himself. I was
afraid he would kill me or someone else during the course of
his ACT and it was an act. A stupid act and nothing else. I
was not fooled but I kept the pistol for several days and
still have the round that I removed from the chamber. I will
name the witnesses if it becomes necessary. In case you have
not learned anything yet let me assure you that you had
better not screw around with me unless you are willing to go
all the way to the wall and beyond because I'm ready to die
to get to the bottom of this and force the truth out of the
government. The preponderance of government agents involved
in this and the fact that everything that I saw, and only
what I saw, leaked, makes me believe that the technology is
real (saw a craft with my own eyes) but aliens may be a
complete fantasy. Aliens may be needed to create a new world
order. No more Soviet enemy? Here is a threat from outer
space. I feel used. I am very angry. I saw exactly what I
said and more. Not only that but they have taken great pains
to make sure I could see the same documents again just
recently. Either the information I saw is absolutely correct
or the government (with the help of Moore, Lear, Doty,
Lazar, Friedman, Shandera, etc.) has created the greatest
hoax in history in order to bring down national boundarys
and ring in a one world government. I have uncovered the
fact that an inventor made a saucer that flew in the 50's
without alien help. I still believe that the information I
saw between 1970 and 1973 is correct but I am now open to
the possibility that I may have been used. I assure you that
I will not be used again. The truth WILL come out.
Lear's involvement with George Green and the Phoenix
Journals to try to discredit me is what his phone recording
is all about. I told him in June 1989 not to try any funny
business with me and that is what the call was all about. He
tried to help the great con the Phoenix Journals discredit
me and I told him as a result that "I would crucify him". I
have done that by finally releasing the information that he
is Condor and as Condor has been working very closely with
Moore, Shandera, Friedman, Doty, and others. I will continue
to crucify him at any and every opportunity. I will also
crucify anyone else who stands up against truth on this
battle field.
--- Opus-CBCS 1.10.vi
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Conf : I saw a UFO?
Msg# : 25  Lines: Extended  Read: 1
Sent : Jun 8, 1991  at 12:45 AM
To   : Jym Fox
From : Don Allen at Cheyenne Mountain BBS
Subj : Cooper -Part 3



This is Part 3 of a re-post of Bill Cooper's letter
via Timmy Bennett from last year, on the Fido UFO echo.

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Message #8943 - UFO
   Date : 20-May-90 20:49
   From : T.S. Bennett
     To : All
Subject : Cooper answers Corbin/Knapp contd.
Replies : #8942 <--> #8944

Ask him to play the entire tape and not just part of it out
of context and you will see that this is the truth. He
probably won't do it but you can try anyway. I have stated
on many occassions that this is a war and I will act
accordingly.
The Stacy Borland story was reported to me by many people
who called me by phone. I confirmed the story through a Las
Vegas Psychologist. I repeat I received many phone calls all
telling the same story regarding Stacy Borland. Whether she
was murdered on a Saturday or on a Wednesday the next day or
three weeks later has nothing to do with the subject of the
story. The subject of the story was that a rumor floats
around Las Vegas that someone from the test site gives
Borland some documents, she is killed, Grace takes her place
and members report that he is writing their names on what
appears to be government forms labeled CONFIDENTIAL. Try as
you might to cover up the important facts but you won't
succeed. It is my opinion that she was given documents and
that your group or the people you work for killed her. I
know that MAJESTY TWELVE (also known as MAJORITY TWELVE) has
killed before and most probably will kill again. Moore and
Lear work for them.
George Knapp states in his letter to Corbin that John Grace
was appointed to take over the contactee group. The members
of the group who have called me expressed anger and concern
that his assumption of the leadership was totally against
the wishes of the members. In fact if the reports are
correct some of the groups members have left the group over
this issue. Just exactly who appointed Grace over the
protest of the members? Is it a democratic group or a Nazi
group? I understand from the many calls that I have received
that the members are not happy with the situation and the
group is splintered. Cory and Jeff are only 2 of the sources
for this information but both are friends of Lear's. Are
they telling me the truth or is Lear setting me up? I
believe they have told the truth as they knew it in every
case.
George Knapp really screwed up when he implied that I
accused John Grace of murder. That is an outright lie.
George Knapp is a liar. I said no such thing anywhere in the
story (he calls himself a journalist?). I reported what was
told to me by many sources and all that is required of a
journalist is 2 sources. I am not a journalist and I did a
better job than both Mike Corbin and George Knapp have done
so far.
Here are the facts. William Moore is a self confessed agent.
No one can deny that. Only fools listen to Moore now. HE
CONFESSED. Do you hear that George? Are you a fool or do you
work for them? George Knapp you knew that Moore was a self
confessed agent and you still used him in your series and in
your 2 hour special. Why? During the 2 hour special you
presented Moore as a credible prominent researcher. You made
no mention that Moore had doctored documents and had
admitted it. No mention was made that Moore had engaged in
lying and passing out disinformation to other researchers.
No mention was made that Moore had confessed to being an
agent for an intelligence agency. You did not mention that
Moore spied on researchers and submitted reports to his
controller.
--- Opus-CBCS 1.10.vi
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Conf : I saw a UFO?
Msg# : 26  Lines: Extended  Read: 1
Sent : Jun 8, 1991  at 12:45 AM
To   : Jym Fox
From : Don Allen at Cheyenne Mountain BBS
Subj : Cooper -Part 4


(Continued)


Brian "Rev. P-K" Siano                                  revpk@cellar.org
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(5242)  Sun 14 Jun 92 12:24p
By: Brian 'rev P-k' Siano
To: All
Re: Silly William Cooper Stuff Part 2
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From: revpk@cellar.org (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano)
Date: 14 Jun 92 00:26:05 GMT
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This is Part 4 of a re-post of Bill Cooper's letter
via Timmy Bennett from last year, on the Fido UFO echo.

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Message #8944 - UFO
   Date : 20-May-90 20:50
   From : T.S. Bennett
     To : All
Subject : Cooper answers Corbin/Knapp contd.
Replies : #8943 <--> #8945

WHY? Thats about the worst kind of journalism.
It's irresponsible and it sucks. It says a lot about George
Knapp.
Why did George Knapp, experienced and hardened journalist,
promote the Lazar story when every rule of journalism says
not to do it. Why did Knapp swallow it hook line and sinker
when the only thing backing Lazar up was his name in a phone
book? Why did Knapp do everything short of jumping off a
cliff to get the public to believe Lazar, even say on the
air that he, Knapp, believed Lazar? That is something that
no good journalist would ever do and is guaranteed to fetch
a failing grade in any journalism class. I'll tell you why.
George wasn't out to do good journalism. George Knapp, in my
opinion, was either taken in by Lear or he works with Lear,
Moore, Lazar, Friedman, Doty, Shandera, etc. Which is it
George?
There is more to George Knapp than meets the eye. He has a
vested interest in attacking me. If I am right it could cost
him his job and I guarantee you that I am right about both
Lazar and Lear. Lazar is a fake and Lear is Condor. If Lear
is Condor then that makes fools of everyone. No one likes to
be a fool but most UFOlogists are exactly that. I keep
saying to DO RESEARCH, TO INVESTIGATE, but no one does it.
They just sit around and call each other names.
You had better remember that I was the Executive Director of
a College that taught security and law enforcement courses.
Many of my faculty members were sargeants and leutenants on
the police force. My personal bodyguard was the head of that
department. I was also a member of Naval Security and
Intelligence. Both Lear and Doty were easy to identify.
A scrambled voice can be unscrambled. Didn't know that did
you. I not only knew it but did it. I also had a voice print
analysis done. The voice is John Lear's. You all think a man
photographed in shadow is invisible don't you. Well, he is
not. Try body measurement proportion comparison. In other
words take a picture of John Lear and in the same pose as
Condor and with the same body angle. Its easy as it is the
normal posture of john Lear. The picture does not have to be
to the same scale. I have several of him sitting and talking
in the exact same position and the same angle.
Take as many body measurements as you can and then compare
them to each other. The more measurements and the more
comparisons you can make the more positive the
identification will be. I was able to make 19 different
measurements and many times as many comparisons. Then do the
same on the man in the shadow.
THE VOICE IS JOHN LEAR AND THE BODY MEASUREMENT PROPORTION
COMPARISONS MATCHED PERFECTLY IN EVERY INSTANCE.
It's really very easy. Anyone can master the technique. You
will only have to fork out money for the voice print
analysis. Most of you are to cheap to do it and George Knapp
has a vested interest in AVOIDING IT AT ALL COSTS. I
challenge George Knapp to stop taking Lear's word that he is
not Condor and do some real investigative reporting. Lear
insists that Condor is Bob Collins. Bob Collins physic is no
where near Condor's but Lear fits perfectly. Get wise Knapp
your whole life is on the line here. Do you work for Lear or
what? Are you part of the awareness group too? Are you a
traitor?
--- Opus-CBCS 1.10.vi
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Conf : I saw a UFO?
Msg# : 27  Lines: Extended  Read: 1
Sent : Jun 8, 1991  at 12:46 AM
To   : Jym Fox
From : Don Allen at Cheyenne Mountain BBS
Subj : Cooper -Part 5 (Final)



This is Part 5 of a re-post of Bill Cooper's letter
via Timmy Bennett from last year, on the Fido UFO echo.

This is the *Conclusion* of the Re-post.

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Message #8945 - UFO
   Date : 20-May-90 20:51
   From : T.S. Bennett
     To : All
Subject : Cooper answers Corbin/Knapp contd.
Replies : #8944 <-

I have known that Lear is an agent ever since February of
1972 and I have confided that in not 1 or 2 people but in
probably 12 or 13 people and maybe more than that over the
last several years. I am sure that most of them will confirm
it if the need arises. Bob Swan also knows it. In the
"Secret Government" I stated that I saw Moore, Friedman, and
Maccabee on a list of agents to be recruited ALONG WITH
SEVERAL OTHERS THAT I DID NOT NAME AND IT IS STATED IN THAT
PAPER. I told Lear that I saw his name on the list several
days before MUFON. My wife was present and heard the entire
conversation. Lear wasn't able to look me in the eye. The
people helping him get MUFON organized wondered why I was
not at Lear's home helping them and that is why. Lear stayed
far away from me the whole time and even kept aloof from
everyone else also. He was terrified that I would reveal him
along with Moore, Friedman, and Maccabee. Lear gave himself
away when he and Grace wrote the Krill papers. He is just
like Moore. He throws truth mixed with lies out and then
laughs at the public. Lear knows all about O.H. Krlll, the
real one, and he got caught by me. O.H. Krlll exposed Lear
not me. Anyone and everyone who has worked with this
information knows he blew it. He honestly thought that no
one else knew the truth. I played him just like I played
Moore and I caught him just like I caught Moore. Lear KNOWS
EVERYTHING. It's an old trick and Strieber is using it now
with his book MAJESTIC. Now if anyone comes out with
anything from GRUDGE about Forestall or the Roswell crash
you will all say he stole it from Strieber. Sorry boys but
it won't work anymore. People are sick of lies, deception
and traitors and we are all sick of you.
Lear showed me a copy of a 2 inch thick book written by
employees of the Lawrence Livermore Laboratory which is a
very thorough parody of the "YELLOW BOOK". I pretended that
I did not know what it was and Lear had a great time. I did
recognize an old friend who works at Livermore Lab and it
has turned out good for me. The friend is one who put
together a ......... trip to the ........ of the
prepare. Filling in the blanks would reveal his identity. I
told Lear at the time that I knew one of the authors of the
parody. The man owed me. Since his name was in the parody I
knew that he had seen the real "YELLOW BOOK". That knowledge
has been very useful.

    THIS CONCLUDES MY EXCERPT OF BILL COOPER'S ANSWER. IT SHOULD
PROVIDE THE ANSWER TO MEALY MOUTHS WHO STAND IN THE CORNER AND TRY TO
DISCREDIT PERSONS WITH HONEST OPINIONS. THERE ARE ALSO ENOUGFH FACTS
CONTAINED  IN THESE WORDS  TO THOROUGHLY CHECK  OUT THE SIMPS  WHO ARE
TRYING TO PULL THE WOOL OVER EVERYBODY'S EYES.
   CIAOU!!!!! T.S.

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Brian "Rev. P-K" Siano                                  revpk@cellar.org
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By: Brian 'rev P-k' Siano
To: All
Re: Silly John Lear Stuff
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Date: 14 Jun 92 00:34:04 GMT
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        Okay here's another tidbit I'd once buffered from a Fidonet echo.
Again, I'd like to confirm or disconfirm whether John Lear really did write
this.



Conf : UFO Update Material--***
Msg# : 1314/1315  Lines: Extended  Read: 3
Sent : Nov 24, 1991  at 11:49 AM
To   : All
From : Dali Moyzes at CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN BBS
Subj : lear

Replies: 1315

ALIEN EXPLORATION

Interplanetary Business Deals by John Lear

          I am an airlane captain for a major cargo airlane; I've
     flown  about  160 different  types  of aircraft  in  over 50
     different countries.  I held 17  world speed records  in the
     Lear  Jet,  and  I'm  the  pilot  who  holds  the  most  FAA
     Certificates issued to  a single individual.  I have been  a
     commercial  pilot for  30  years; I've  been  flying for  35
     years. I hold the professional Air Traffic Controllers award
     for Outstanding Airmanship presented in 1968, and the Symons
     Wave Memorial.  I have flown missions  worldwide for various
     government  agencies,  I  flew  in  Southeast  Asia  between
     1966-73, I have flown  both experimental and production test
     flights. I  have flown  for 28  different airlines  and have
     over 16,000 hours of  flight time, over 12,000 of  which are
     jet  transports. I  was the youngest  American to  climb the
     Matterhorn  in Switzerland in 1959,  and I am  a senior vice
     commander  of the American Legions  Post No. 1.  I have four
     daughters and have lived in Las  Vegas for about 20 years. I
     grew up mostly in Santa Monica. I studied  Industrial Design
     at the  Art Center College  of Los Angeles  and was  a State
     Senate candidate in Nevada in 1980. My father was William P.
     Lear, Sr. who not  only helped develop the first  car radio,
     the  eight track stereo,  and automatic pilot  for our first
     jet fighters, but  who developed  the Lear Jet,  one of  the
     first and most successful of all business jet transports.
          About  six  years  ago  I stumbled  headlong  into  the
     subject  of UFO's. I began to search for the truth, and what
     I  found out  was  this. We  have  recovered over  40  discs
     belonging  to  alien  civilizations  far  beyond  our  solar
     system. The U.S.  Navy has successfuly flown several of them
     under  a secret program begun  in the middle  '50s. The U.S.
     Government  has  in  cryogenic  storage  at  least  25,  but
     probably closer to 100 alien bodies, representing as many as
     15 different  species. That at  least three of  these aliens
     were  captured alive,  one of  them is  still living  at the
     Nevada Test Site area  S-4. That our government has  been in
     business with little gray aliens for many years, having been
     duped  into thinking they were making some kind of agreement
     in which we traded permission to abduct humans in return for
     super-advanced   technology.   That   man  was   genetically
     engineered by a vastly superior alien species  over a period
     of several hundred thousand  years with 64 separate external
     corrections in  what was essentially an  experiment, to make
     man what he is today,  and what he is referred to  in secret
     government  documents  is  ,  a  container.  We  are  simply
     containers. Containers  of physical matter,  blood, enzymes,
     hormones,  souls,   thoughts,  emotions   ...   all  of   it
     engineered, multiplied, grown, harvested, and processed by a
     higher entity, and their licensees.
          At  the end of the corporeal life of the container, the
     soul  is extracted  and  either  stored  for future  use  or
     reintroduced into  a fetal container. To  what purpose? It's
     probably none of  our business  anymore that it's   a  cow's
     business  what they are here  for. If you  have wondered why
     the government has never come clean on the subject of flying
     saucers,  maybee you should  consider why we  never take the
     trouble to brief cows on the reason for their existence.
          The  sponsors of  these  miracles  travel between  star
     systems at  speeds  far greater  than a  thousand times  the
     speed of  light. To travel great distances  in space without
     breaking  the laws  of physics,  which quite  properly state
     that nothing can travel  faster than the speed of  life, you
     first have to understand  that gravity is instantaneous, and
     that when  you harness  gravity you control  everything. You
     have  also to visualize space as a fabric, a substance. What
     we  think of as empty space can  be pulled this way and that
     by  strong  gravitational attraction.  If  you  can exert  a
     strong  enough gravita- tional  pull on  a small  portion of
     space you can actually pull it toward you, step inside it so
     to speak. That portion of space that you stepped inside will
     snap  back to  its original  location, with  you inside  it,
     without  violating  the laws  of  physics  and without  time
     having even moved.
          The  way  that  this   strong  gravitational  force  is
     generated in  the craft  is through an  anti-matter reactor.
     The reactor is about the size and shape of half a basketball
     and  sits on  a metal  plate. Inside  the  half sphere  is a
     receptacle  which  holds a  thin,  arrow-  shaped, 233  gram
     silver of Element 115.  As this tinypiece of element  115 is
     bombarded  with protons,  it  propagates into  Element   166
     which instantaneously decays  back to 115.   The product  of
     this reaction is antimatter and this antimatter is  used for
     two  purposes, the   first  of which  is to create  a strong
     gravitational field   which is then  channeled and amplified
     to      generate    almost   inconceivable   quantities   of
     gravitational attraction. The second purpose for anti-matter
     is  to generate  positive  voltage   through  the use  of  a
     thermionic generator to power other equipment in the craft.
          The gravity that is generated is focused through a save
     guide  and and  then channeled  and amplified  through three
     gravity amplifiers  which, when swiveled and  focused on the
     desired  destination, whether to  be 100 miles  or 100 light
     years  away, draws a portion of the fabric of space from the
     destination to the departure point. When the gravity is then
     turned off and the attraction no longer exists, whatever was
     enveloped by that portion drawn from the destination, is now
     at the  destination. THis concept  is about as  difficult to
     explain as television would have been to a caveman.
          The U.S. does have  secret bases on the moon.  The NASA
     projects  of  Mercury,  Gemini,  Apollo,  Spacelab  and  the
     Shuttle are all just  cover for what's really going  on. The
     US also has secret   bases on Mars. And there are  Martians.
     They look just about like us and are a little more advanced.
     After  a  climatic  disaster  many years  ago  on  Mars, the
     Martians moved underground.
          Contemplate something  closer  to home.  There  are  at
     least 70  different species  of aliens  here on  an infinite
     variety  of  missions.  And there  are  a  number of  secret
     underground  bases  operated  jointly  between  us  and  the
     aliens. One of the largest is at Dulce, New Mexico. And yes,
     there  is a  secret  US test  facility for  extraterrestrial
     disks  at Area  51 in  Nevada.  If you  want to  see it  for
     yourself they  still test at sunset on Wednesday nights; the
     last time I saw it was April 3rd, 1991. Take I-15  to  a few
     miles  north of Las Vegas  and then go  north on highway 93.
     Just after Ash  Springs take the left fork in the road which
     will  be highway 357, and  after you come  down from Hancock
     Pass into the valley you will see a straight dirt road about
     10  miles long. That's the northeast entrance to Groom Lake.
     Turn off a few hundred feet, and look to the south at sunset
     or a little after. You're  going to have to have  a powerful
     telescope  or binoculars to see the disc shape, but you woll
     be able to see the craft with the naked eye,  about 12 miles
     away.  Don't proceed  further than  about 5 miles  down that
     road, as it is  an unmarked but highly restricted  area. And
     there  are  a  number of  secret  underground  bases in  the
     Antelope Valley. If you are interested in seeing any of this
     drive around the Tehachapi  mountains, east of Lancaster, or
     around El Mirage Dry Lake on a weeknight.
          And yes, Aids was developed by the US Navy between 1969
     and 1972. Credit  for the  perfection of the  virus and  its
     cure  was given to R.M. Donner. The virus was first released
     in Africa in 1975 with laced doses of the small pox vaccine.
     Africa  is now  almost  100% infected.  The  AIDS virus  was
     introduced into the United  States in 1978 in New  York, San
     Francisco and Los Angeles with laced doses of  the Hepatitis
     B vaccine distributed by the Center for Disease Control, who
     specifically targeted the white, male homosexual group. This
     was done  so that AIDS  would spread rapidly  wothout anyone
     being  too concerned, as  they would dismiss  the disease as
     only  a   concern  to  homosexuals  or   drug  addicts.  The
     population has been led  to believe that the AIDS  virus can
     be prevented  through judicious use  if prophylactics and/or
     rubber gloves, when in  fact HTLV 1, one  form of AIDS,  has
     been airborne in Southeast  Asia for a number of  years. The
     stated goal of the US Navy for the  AIDS virus was infection
     of  75  % of  the world's  population  before 1995.  If this
     sounds unbelievable, this  is because there are  a number of
     things you  don't understand  about world  population growth
     versus  food consumption.  The  reason you  don't understand
     these  things  is  you  have  not  been  fed  this  type  of
     information because it's  none of your business.  And if you
     still think you have a government by the people and for  the
     people, you  are as ignorant  as you  are misinformed.  Your
     attention has been directed  towards tying up yellow ribbons
     for  our  returning troops  of  a government  that  spent 75
     billion dollars  drilling 100,000 barefoot  Iraquis, most of
     whom  had no beef  with the US.,  but happened to  be in the
     wrong  place at the wrong time. We liberated one of the most
     opressive  sheikdoms  of the  20th  century  and effectively
     prevented Iraq  from  getting  their 200 billion  barrels of
     oil reserves to the  world market, which would have  cut the
     price  of oil  in  half.  We  spent  eight  or  nine  months
     vilifying the butcher  of Baghdad and teaching him  that the
     most  powerful  nation  on   earth  is  still  incapable  of
     searching out and destroying a single individual. (Exception
     to  the  rule:  Willie  Nelson, Pee  Wee  Herman,  JFK, John
     Lennon, Charlie Chaplin, Marylin  Monroe, and all  destroyed
     or killed by CIA).
          And what about government  people who are involved? How
     come  nothing  leaks? Well,  if you  truly believe  that the
     government  can't keep a secret  when it wants  to, then you
     are   worse  than  terminally  ignorant.  You  are  willfuly
     ignorant.
          I know this stuff is true but you don't. You don't have
     access  to the proper information.  And only if  you dig for
     and find  the information yourself are you  going to believe
     it!  Find  a  friend  in  an  aerospace  related  government
     project.  Ask him  this question  that will  not in  any way
     compromise his oath  of security.  Ask him,  "Would you  bet
     your life that John Lear is wrong?"

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By: Don Ecker
To: All
Re: Nasa Video
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John Hicks wrote:

 >   Many of you presumably saw Don Ecker on Hard Copy the other
 >   night, and the video tape from Discovery.
 >   The tape shows a about a quarter-Earth, with a small white
 >   object slowly moving along in the mid-upper right. The object appears to
 >  suddenly make a 90-degree turn and accelerate. What looks like a
 >  faint blob of material appears to shoot from the lower left toward the
 >  spot where the object initiated its turn.
 >   Don asserted that the object was a ufo of some sort, and
 >   something fired a "shot" at it, which it dodged. However.......

Actually John, what I said was that IMHO it could not have been
"ice", and as far as it being a UFO, I mean in the truest sense of
the word, "Unidentified, Flying, and an Object". I SPECULATED a
"shot", and the 140 degree turn was somewhat dramatic. I just
received a 1st generation copy of the tape and will have analysis
done on it. I also have the official NASA "explanation" of these
events and more will be heard on this very soon.

 >   a) What specifically were the astronauts supposedly taping?
 >   b) Did a manuevering jet that would have been visible fire at
 >   the corresponding time with what we saw on the tape? (hint....the
 >   original tape would almost certainly have been time-coded, and of
 >   course NASA would know exactly what time a jet was fired.) If the times
 > coincide, then we're forced to accept that explanation pending
 > further information.

This was just prior to the "water dump" which did have shuttle
manuvers connected with the "dump". In the dump, the camera,
shuttle and everything else did move. With event # 2, (object,
"shot" etc.) nothing else had movement. Stay tuned.

Don Ecker
UFO Magazine
PO Bx 1053
Sunland, CA 91041

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By: Anson Kennedy
To: All
Re: Alien/u.s. Gov't Collusion
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From: anson@netcom.com (Anson Kennedy)
Date: 18 Jun 92 19:54:58 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)
Message-ID: <f9kl-=#.anson@netcom.com>
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.alien.visitors

Below is the text of a flyer someone sent me detailing the latest alien/
U.S. government collusion theory.  It is apparently a compilation of Bill
Coooper's stuff with a few Lear tidbits thrown in for spice.  The flyer
itself did not name the original source for this stuff, so if anyone has
info on just *who* put out this flyer, I'd appreciate it if you'd let me
know.

BEGIN FLYER

        THIS INFORMATION COULD SAVE YOUR LIFE AND FREEDOM

        THE COMING "OFFICIAL" ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE ALIEN
                        PRESENCE ON EARTH

     WHY "STAR WARS", THE HUBBEL [sic] SPACE TELESCOPE, THE
                    SUDDEN FALL OF COMMUNISM?

     WHAT IS GOING ON?  Something very SINISTER is going on.
     Polls  reveal  that  over  90%  of  the American people
     believe in  UFOs and  95% of  these people  believe the
     government is keeping  this knowledge from  the public.
     But why?  Are they  afraid the people will panic  if an
     "official"  announcement  were  made?    Hardly.   Such
     announcement would create  interest and excitement  and
     many questions, particularly  by the churches,  but not
     panic.  Why then the continued cover-up?

     There  is  overwhelming  evidence  in  the past several
     years   from   "whistle-blowers"   -  retired  military
     officers  who  have  finally  said,  "Enough is enough!
     It's time  the government  told the  people the truth!"
     These  officers,  such  as  Navy  intelligence officer,
     William Cooper, Major  John Lear (whose  father founded
     the  Lear-Jet  Corp.)  and  Air  Force  officer William
     English, to  name but  a few,  have all  discovered the
     truth, and at the risk of their very lives, are  trying
     to alert  YOU to  the secrets  behind the  UFOs and the
     Alien Presence on this  earth.  These people  worked on
     secret projects, had access to 'classified' Top  Secret
     documents,  had  seen  with  their  own eyes 'captured'
     aliens,  or  extraterrestrial  entities,  UFOs  and the
     incredible technology they brought with them.

     Sightings of 'UFOs' (unidentified flying objects)  have
     been  reported  throughout  history,  and  biblical and
     historic references to  "flaming chariots" huge  flying
     'birds' and odd-looking  beings predate our  history by
     thousands  of  years.    In  the  1940s  several  alien
     spacecraft  were  recovered  by  the  U.S.  and   other
     countries, along with  a few dead  aliens and one  live
     one they named  EBE (a name  suggested by Dr.  Vannever
     Bush  and  was  short  for  Extraterrestrial Biological
     Entity).

     In 1953 astronomers  discovered large objects  in space
     which were moving toward Earth.  At first they believed
     these  were  asteroids,  but  later evidence proved the
     objects could  only be  spaceships.   Project Sigma and
     Project Plato intercepted radio communication and using
     the computer  binary language,  was able  to arrange  a
     landing  that  resulted  in  face-to-face  contact with
     alien beings from another planet.  Meanwhile, a race of
     human-looking  aliens  contacted  the  U.S. Government,
     warning us  that the  aliens orbiting  the equator were
     hostile  beings  from  Orion.   These human-type aliens
     demanded we dismantle and destroy our nuclear  weapons,
     that we were on a path of self-destruction and we  must
     stop killing each other, stop polluting the earth, stop
     raping the earth's natural resources and learn to  live
     in  harmony  with  one  another.   President Eisenhower
     rejected these demands.

     Later in 1954 the race of aliens, known as Greys,  from
     Zeta Reticuli area in space, who had been orbiting  the
     equator,  landed  at  Holloman  Air  Force  Base.  They
     stated their planet was dying and they needed  quarters
     on  earth  to  conduct  genetic  experiments that might
     allow  their  race  to  survive;  this  in exchange for
     certain  technology.    They  could  abduct humans on a
     limited basis  for the  purpose of  medical examination
     and monitoring,  with the  stipulation that  the humans
     would not be harmed,  would be returned to  their point
     of abduction, that  the human would  have no memory  of
     the event.  It was  also agreed that alien bases  would
     be constructed underground, beneath Indian reservations
     in the 4 corners area of Utah, New Mexico, Arizona  and
     Colorado.  Another was  to be constructed in  Nevada in
     the area known as S-4, about 7 miles south of Area  51,
     known as  'Dreamland.'   A multi-billion  dollar secret
     fund was organized and  kept by the Military  Office of
     the White House, supposedly to build secret underground
     sites for the President  and staff in case  of military
     attacks.

     By secret  Executive Memorandum,  NSC 5410,  Eisenhower
     established a  permanent committee  known as  "Majority
     Twelve"  (MJ-12)  to  oversee  and  conduct  all covert
     activities with the aliens.  This included FBI director
     J.  Edgar  Hoover  and  six  leaders of the 'Council on
     Foreign Relations,  known as  the 'Wise  Men' and later
     others from  the Trilateral  Commission.   George Bush,
     Gordon Dean, and Brzezinski were among them.

     A major finding of  the commission was the  aliens were
     using  humans  and  animals  for  a source of glandular
     secretions, enzymes, hormonal secretions, blood and  in
     horrible  genetic  experiments.    The aliens explained
     these actions as necessary for their survival, that  if
     their genetic structure  were not improved,  their race
     would cease to exist.

     The ruling powers decided that one means of funding the
     alien project was to corner the illegal drug market.  A
     young  ambitious  member  of  the  Council  on  Foreign
     Relations was approached.  His name is George Bush  who
     at the  time was  president and  CEO of  Zapata Oil Co.
     based  in  Texas.    Zapata  Oil was experimenting with
     offshore  oil  drilling  and  it  was arranged that the
     drugs  could  be  shipped  from  South  America  to the
     offshore platforms by  fishing boats, then  transferred
     to  the  U.S.  shore  by  normal  transportation,  thus
     avoiding search  by customs  agents.   The plan  worked
     better than anyone expected, and today the CIA controls
     all  the  world's  illegal  drug  markets.   One should
     remember, it was George Bush who first started  selling
     drugs to  our children.   The  drug money  was used  to
     finance the deep underground alien bases.

     Conclusions:  the Bilderburgers, the Council on Foreign
     Relations and the Trilateral Commission are the  SECRET
     GOVERNMENT and rule this  nation through MJ-12 and  the
     study group known as the Jason Society.

     Throughout history the  aliens have manipulated  and/or
     ruled the human race through various secret  societies,
     religion and the  occult.  The  CFR and the  Trilateral
     Commission  are  in  complete  control  of  the   alien
     technology and  the nation's  economy.   Eisenhower was
     the last president to  know the entire overview  of the
     alien problem.   Succeeding  presidents were  told only
     what MJ-12  wanted them  to know,  and it  was NOT  the
     truth.    MJ-12  presented  each  new  president with a
     picture  of  a  lost  alien  culture  seeking  to renew
     itself, build a home on this planet and shower us  with
     gifts of technology.   Each president bought the  story
     hook,  line  and  sinker.    Meanwhile  innocent people
     continue to suffer unspeakable horrors at the hands  of
     alien and human scientists who are engaged in barbarous
     research that would make the Nazis pale in  comparison.
     As if that is not enough many people end up as food for
     the insatiable alien  appetite for biological  enzymes,
     hormonal secretions and blood.  At least 1 in every  40
     Americans have been  implanted with alien  devices that
     are used to control them if necessity calls.

     By 1989 over 3 million 'Greys' are occupying these deep
     multi-level underground complexes.  Level 7 at Dulce is
     called "Nightmare  Hall."   They have  welched on their
     agreement on  abducting humans;  today over  25 million
     citizens have  been abducted  and implanted,  a literal
     army awaiting orders to  march!  (Whitley Strieber  has
     written bestselling books on his personal experience as
     have many others).  For this reason other nations  were
     informed.    Within  5  months  the  communist monolith
     Russia was dismantled  to unite with  the U.S. and  its
     technology to  fight the  invasion.   The Hubbel  [sic]
     Space Telescope was created  to keep a watchful  eye on
     the  invasion  fleet;  Star  Wars  technology  has been
     developed to hopefully stop them in outer space  before
     they can get to the earth.

     Today, the  government is  on the  horns of  a dilemma.
     Too many sources are releasing alien information.   The
     public could get angry at continued secrecy.  So  MJ-12
     plans soon  to make  an "official"  announcement, under
     controlled conditions,  probably Area  51.   Network TV
     will  be  called  to  meet  the staged 'landing' of the
     aliens, these being the Greys.  They will come  bearing
     gifts, technology that supposedly will heal cancer  and
     AIDS, retard aging,  etc.  They  will tell us  they are
     the 'saviors of humanity'  who have come to  defend the
     earth against an  invasion of man-eating  aliens called
     Reptoids.  This story is  a LIE, they already work  for
     the Reptoids!  Their plan is to unify the world into  a
     One-World-Government,  a  'New  World  Order'  with the
     argument  that  only  this  can  defeat the invasion by
     Reptoids.    This  is  a  trap  to  enslave the world's
     population.  Control  will be accomplished  through the
     money  system,  a  universal  currency  controlled   by
     certain international bankers, who for years have  been
     lackeys of the aliens, who seized upon their greed  and
     lust for  wealth and  power as  a means  to bring about
     their evil plan to control the earth.  (This also being
     the  scenario  predicted   in  the  Bible's   'Book  of
     Revelation'  [sic]  wherein  only  those who accept the
     Mark of the Beast  (the aliens'being [sic] the  'Beast'
     and  the  'Mark'  being  some  sort  of laser tattoo or
     Credit Card they will  use, which will allow  people to
     buy and  sell goods).   Those  who do  not accept  this
     'Mark' must live outside  the money system and  survive
     somehow on their own, through barter etc.

     SO BE AWARE!  ONLY YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THIS FAKE INVASION
     AND FAKE RAPTURE CAN PREVENT IT FROM HAPPENING.  DEMAND
     THE TRUTH  FROM YOUR  GOVERNMENT.   TELL THEM  YOU KNOW
     ABOUT THE ALIENS AND THAT THERE ARE GOOD ALIENS AND BAD
     ALIENS AND THAT MJ-12  IS PROMOTING THE BAD  ALIENS AND
     THE ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT THEY HOPE TO CONTROL.

     INSIST ON THE TRUE STORY  OF THE ALIEN PRESENCE!   YOUR
     LIFE COULD DEPEND UPON IT, AS WELL AS YOUR FREEDOMS!

           FOR FURTHER RESEARCH AND MORE INFORMATION:

     Arcturus Book Service: PO Box 83183, Stone Mt., GA 30083
     (Specialists in UFO books and magazines, tapes, videos)

     WorldWide UFO News Clipping Bureau & Public Information
     Center, 955 Lancaster Rd. Suite 420, Orlando, FL 32809
     (Tapes, videos etc. on UFOs and Alien Presence)

     C.A.C. Box 115, Olympia,  Wa [sic] 98507 (Cosmic  Newsletter
     with much information on UFOs and Alien Presence)

     The William Cooper Foundation, 19744 Beach Blvd. No. 301
     Huntington Beach, Cal. 92648. Phone: (602) 567-6536

     Stanley K. Barrington, 2059 East Ave. I, Sp. 11, Lancaster,
     CA 93535



     BOOKS: An Alien Harvest, by Linda Moulton Howe, PO Box 3130,
     Littleton, CO 80161 (Secret of the cattle mutilations)

     The Gulf Breeze Sightings, by  Ed Walters, Wm. Morrow &  Co.
     Pub.

     The Watchers, by Raymond Fowler, Bantam Books, N.Y.

     Communion, by Whitley Strieber, Wm. Morrow Pub. N.Y.

     Ask your local bookstore!

            CIRCULATE THIS INFORMATION, MAKE 30 COPIES!

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Anson Kennedy
Secretary of the Georgia Skeptics (but don't even THINK I speak for them!)

                  "If I had been the Virgin Mary, I would have said 'No.'"
                                      -Margaret "Stevie" Smith (1902-1971)

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f the cattle mutilations)

    The Gulf Breeze Sightings, by  Ed Walters, Wm. Morrow &  Co.
    Pub.
    The Watchers, by Raymond Fowler, Bantam Books, N.Y.
    Communion, by Whitley Strieber, Wm. Morrow Pub. N.Y.
    Ask your local bookstore!
           CIRCULATE THIS INFORMATION, MAKE 30 COPIES!

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                 "If I had been the Virgin Mary, I would have said 'No.'"
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