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(7371)  Tue 16 Mar 93 12:14p
By: Dan Ross
To: Robert Saltiel
Re: Predictions
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 RS> Okay, maybe it wasn't quite 1993 yet, but just a month short of
 RS> it... BTW, I've heard this prediction as being related to
 RS> Gulf-Breeze Sightings?

!.  The Gulf Breeze Six were six US military intelligence analysts who
deserted their posts in Augsburg, Germany July 9, 1990.  They had used a
Ouija board  on seven occasions for several months.  After using the Ouija
Board and viewing the material they were analyzing, they apparently came
to the conclusion that the battle of Armageddon was about to occur.

2.  They left their posts in Augsburg, Germany believing they were on an
important mission to apparently save the world.  They went to Gulf Breeze,
Florida where they met a psychic named Anna Foster who had just prior to
their contact attended a MUFON convention held in Pensacola which had been
devoted to the Gulf Breeze SIGHTINGS  According to James Moseley of Key
West, a "ufologist"  "this woman may have been the source of the soldiers'
interest in the conspiracy - oriented material disseminated by Bill
Cooper."

3.  A few days after the arrest of the six deserters in Gulf Breeze,
Florida,  a teletype message was received in Gulf Breeze news offices
which stated:

"US ARMY
FREE THE GULF BREEZE SIX.
WE HAVE THE MISSING FILES, THE
BOX OF 500+ PHOTOS AND
THE PLANS YOU WANT BACK.

The message - which went on with a threat to release unspecified UFO
photographs - ended with -

ANSWER CODE AUGSBB3CM"

4.  These deserters were given honorable discharges and sent home within
days after the teletype message was received.

5.  Information from paragraphs 1, 2, 3 and 4 above comes from the book
"Revelations" by Jacques Vallee, pages 188 through 192.

6.  Then, in february 1993, on a SIGHTINGS show, two of these soldiers
appeared and claimed that their group of six had come up with the
following five predictions fpr 1993:

a.  There would be a gas leak and explosion in New York City in 1993.

b.  The Royal families of Europe would collapse in 1993.

c.  The United States of Europe would be formed in 1993.

d.  There would be an earthquake in California of magnitude at least 8.3
on the Richter scale.

e.  There would be an earthquake in Seattle and Mt. Rainier will erupt.

7.  Also, on the SIGHTINGS show, they said that IF all of these
predictions took place, then the six have agreed to go into hiding for six
years because these events will trigger a six year state of devastation
around the world.

8.  My opinion for what it's worth:  These six are not kooks (or weren't
when they entered military service).  They had TOP SECRET security
clearances and had very intensive background investigations,
psychologically, morally and intellectually.  I GUESS that they were
arrested, a deal was made for the return of material AND their silence
about UFO's and in return, they would get honorable discharges.  On the
show SIGHTINGS, not one word was mentioned about UFO's in conjuncion with
their story.

9.  How could their silence be enforced?  I GUESS they were placed on
Inactive Reserve subject to recall to active duty and imprisonment in a
federal prison IF they don't keep their part of the bargain.


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(6842)   Sun 14 Mar 93  1:46a                        
By: Dan Ross
To: Terry Goodman
Re: Gulfbreeze Six?
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 TG>   >         I am new to this echo and am in NYC can anyone 
direct me
 TG>   >towards more info about the Gulfbreeze Six.
 TG>
 TG> I don't know what you mean by "Gulfbreeze Six."


The Gulf Breeze Six were six US Army Military Intelligence Analysts 
who
deserted and went to Gulf Breeze Florida.  Two of them were 
interviewed on
SIGHTINGS and their case was mentioned in Jacques Vallees book
"Revelations" on pages 188 - 192.  If you would like more info or 
would
like to discuss this, please feel free to leave a message to Dan 
Ross.


 * Freddie 1.2 * FREE CUFON FILES, DAN ROSS, 1216 N. 188TH ST, 
SEATTLE, WA 9813


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(7427)   Wed 17 Mar 93  5:41a                        
By: Thomas Karras
To: Dan Ross
Re: Gulfbreeze Six?
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Dan if you want to know more about this subject I'm the one to talk 
to. I know one of them MI's personnely and I know what he knows. 
Leave me a note if your
interested. 
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(7604)   Wed 17 Mar 93 12:13a                        
By: Terry Goodman
To: Dan Ross
Re: Gulfbreeze Six?
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DR>The Gulf Breeze Six were six US Army Military Intelligence 
Analysts who
  >deserted and went to Gulf Breeze Florida.

I remember the desertion, but did not recognize the significance of
their destination at the time.  How long after the multiple sightings
in Gulf Breeze before the Gulf Breeze Six desertion?

     --Terry

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(7912)   Thu 18 Mar 93 10:44p                        
By: Dan Ross
To: Terry Goodman
Re: Gulfbreeze Six?
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I believe it was within about two years.  They went to Gulf Breeze 
to meet a psychic.  I'm online, send another message in about a 
week for more information.
 

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(7930)   Thu 18 Mar 93  9:01p                        
By: Dan Ross
To: Thomas Karras
Re: Gulfbreeze Six?
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 TK> Dan if you want to know more about this subject I'm the one to 
talk 
 TK> to. I know one of them MI's personnely and I know what he 
knows. 
 TK> Leave me a note if your interested
 
 
You'll never meet anyone more interested than me.  Shall I start 
preparing 
a list of questions?

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SEATTLE, WA 98133

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(8442)   Sun 21 Mar 93  7:48p                        
By: Russ Long
To: Dan Ross
Re: Gulfbreeze Six?
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  TK> Dan if you want to know more about this subject I'm the one 
to talk
  TK> to. I know one of them MI's personnely and I know what he 
knows. Leave
  TK> me a note if your interested
  TK> 
  DR> 
  DR> You'll never meet anyone more interested than me.  Shall I 
start
  DR> preparing a list of questions?
  DR> 
 
And of course you will share that info with the rest of us, right?

: )



Russ

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(8448)   Sat 20 Mar 93 10:52p                        
By: David Gurzynski
To: Dan Ross
Re: Gulfbreeze Six?
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DR|The Gulf Breeze Six were six US Army Military Intelligence 
Analysts who
DR|deserted and went to Gulf Breeze Florida.  Two of them were 
interviewed on
DR|SIGHTINGS and their case was mentioned in Jacques Vallees book
DR|"Revelations" on pages 188 - 192.  If you would like more info 
or would
DR|like to discuss this, please feel free to leave a message to Dan 
Ross.

What did you think of Vallee's analysis?  I find much of it quite
refreshing! He has a slightly cynical humor that is much lacking in 
the
UFO field in the USA.

I have been trying to find his book on UFO sightings in the USSR but
though it is listed in 3 or 4 libraries here all the copies are out.
Funny thing is...the same is true for "The Mothman Prophecies" by 
John
Keel?  It almost makes me wonder how close to home does the 
conspiracy
to encourage the ET hypothesis cut?    ;-)

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(8494)   Mon 22 Mar 93  1:36a                        
By: Thomas Karras
To: Dan Ross
Re: Gulfbreeze Six?
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you name it if I don't know I'll find it out. 
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(8939)   Tue 23 Mar 93 10:04a                        
By: Dan Ross
To: David Gurzynski
Re: Gulfbreeze Six?
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 DG> I have been trying to find his book on UFO sightings in the 
USSR but 
 DG> though it is listed in 3 or 4 libraries here all the copies 
are out. 
 DG> Funny thing is...the same is true for "The Mothman Prophecies" 
by 
 DG> John Keel?  It almost makes me wonder how close to home does 
the 
 DG> conspiracy to encourage the ET hypothesis cut?    ;-)
 
 
Our library system allows us to punch a button on a computer and 
have the 
book sent directly to our home through the US mail.  I have 
discovered 
that these UFO books are far more widely read than one would expect 
with 
such a dearth of reports in the news.  For instance, 
"Secret Life" was checked out 13 times in the past 10 months, 
"The UFO Guidebook" 12 times in the past 24 months
"World's Greatest UFO Mysteries", 16 times in the past 10 months, 
etc.
 
Our local branch of the library has computer terminals which show 
how many 
copies of each book exist, what branch they are in, and whether 
they are 
presenlty checked out.  I notice that most UFO books are doing a 
thriving 
business, at least at the library.
 
It sounds like you need to put a hold or request in to get them.  I 
just 
have to type a P and my library card number, confirm my name and 
address 
and it gets mailed to me the next time it's checked in.
 
Vallee's analysis is intriguing to me.  I smell another book in the 
offing 
and almost crave it.  I was almost disinterested in his book 
"Confrontations", but read it as "required" reading, however from 
page 13 
on in "Revelations" I was engrossed.
 
The story of "Ummo" is still being told as fact in some quarters in 
spite 
of all of the info in Chapter four of "Revelations".  Although some 
of the 
photographs appear to have been faked, there was a flight of a UFO 
for 
demo purposes supposedly witnessed by over 40 people.
 
The presently interesting point of this is that part of the Ummo 
logo was 
a thumbprint on their correspondence.  The Carp tape from 
"Guardian" in 
Canada also had a thumbprint on it.
 
Who knows?


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(8940)   Tue 23 Mar 93 12:50p                        
By: Dan Ross
To: Russ Long
Re: Gulfbreeze Six?
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 RL> And of course you will share that info with the rest of us, 
right?
 
 
Who knows?  This could be the start of something big.

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(9250)   Tue 23 Mar 93  8:14p                        
By: Dan Ross
To: Thomas Karras
Re: Gulfbreeze Six?
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1.  What kind of deal did they cut with the Army to get Honorable
Discharges?

2.  Why were UFO's not mentioned at all on the SIGHTINGS show when 
the 2
soldiers appeared and made their predictions?

Just for starters.



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(9480)   Thu 25 Mar 93  4:29p                        
By: Tom Porter
To: Thomas Karras
Re: Gulfbreeze Six?
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In a message to Dan Ross, dated 03-17-93  Thomas Karras uttered 
these 
words:

TK>Dan if you want to know more about this subject I'm the one 
TK>to talk to. I know one of them MI's personnely and I know 
TK>what he knows. Leave me a note if your
TK>interested. 
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TK>

Thomas,  I am interested in MI involvement with ANY para-normal 
activity, 
especially that sanctioned by the govt. such as project SCANATE.  
This may 
be off topic a bit, but I would love to hear anything your contact 
had to 
say about such things.  

A novel by Bruce McAllister, "Dream Baby", traces out a cracking 
good 
story based on the idea that the Army/CIA found and used people with 
various 'talents' during the Vietnam war.  (Sure be nice to detect 
booby 
traps and tunnels without really getting too close!)

Thanks,

Tom Porter

BTW if you can't get to me on this echo, I am on CI$ at  70314,3274

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(9526)   Fri 26 Mar 93  3:07p                        
By: Jay Schemehorn
To: Thomas Karras
Re: Gulfbreeze Six?
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TK>Dan if you want to know more about this subject I'm the one to 
talk to. I kn
TK>one of them MI's personnely and I know what he knows. Leave me a 
note if you
TK>interested.
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Greeting Thomas,
I would be very intrested in learning much more regarding this 
group, in
particular of how generous the military was following this event 
and let
them out of the military! (I'm trying to figure it out) and of course
these predictions are needless to say intresting!
                        Thanks for any info,
                                           Jay


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(10269)   Sat 27 Mar 93  5:43p                        
By: Dan Ross
To: Tom Porter
Re: Gulfbreeze Six?
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 TP> Thomas,  I am interested in MI involvement with ANY para-normal 
 TP> activity, especially that sanctioned by the govt. such as 
project 
 TP> SCANATE.  This may be off topic a bit, but I would love to hear 
 TP> anything your contact had to say about such things.  
 TP> 
 TP> A novel by Bruce McAllister, "Dream Baby", traces out a 
cracking 
 TP> good story based on the idea that the Army/CIA found and used 
people 
 TP> with various 'talents' during the Vietnam war.  (Sure be nice 
to 
 TP> detect booby traps and tunnels without really getting too 
close!)
 TP> 
 TP> Thanks,
 TP> 
 TP> Tom Porter 
 
 
Yo, Tom.  Are you a graduate of the MI school?

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(10502)   Sat 27 Mar 93  8:42p                        
By: Lauri Watterson
To: Tom Porter
Re: Gulfbreeze Six?
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 -=> Quoting Tom Porter to Thomas Karras <=-

 TP> Thomas,  I am interested in MI involvement with ANY para-normal
 TP> activity,  especially that sanctioned by the govt. such as 
project
 TP> SCANATE.  This may  be off topic a bit, but I would love to hear
 TP> anything your contact had to  say about such things.

Tom, excuse me for interrupting, but your mention of `SCANNATE' 
caught my eye.
I am reading a book entitled "OUTTHERE" by Howard Blum and Scannate 
is
referenced in it. This was the first time that I had heard/read 
about it and I
found it to be both interesting and unsettlling. What do you know 
about this?

 TP> A novel by Bruce McAllister, "Dream Baby", traces out a 
cracking good
 TP> story based on the idea that the Army/CIA found and used 
people with
 TP> various 'talents' during the Vietnam war.  (Sure be nice to 
detect
 TP> booby  traps and tunnels without really getting too close!)

According to the book I'm reading, it was called RV Remote Viewing, 
and
demonstrated to governmental officials in 1985. Apparently there is 
mmore to
the story than I am aware of. Anyway the viewer was able to see 
UFO's hovering
over submarines.

Lauri



  
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(10877)   Tue 30 Mar 93 10:26p                        
By: Tom Porter
To: Dan Ross
Re: Gulfbreeze Six?
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In a message to Tom Porter dated 03-27-93 Dan Ross uttered these 
sage 
words:

DR>Yo, Tom.  Are you a graduate of the MI school?

Dan,  I regret not.  I was just a couple of years too young to 
participate 
in the frolic in S.E. Asia, and am a 4F due to blindness in one eye 
anyway.  I just spent a lot of time talking with a colleague who 
ended up 
crawling around in the dark & mud with a heavy bolt action rifle 
mounting 
a starlite scope, shooting at people pointed out by a fellow wearing 
fatigues w/ no insignia or name tapes (if ya get my drift!)

I am particularly interested in Intel. uses of ESP, since I have 
talked 
with Ed Dames of PSI-TECH inc.  who CLAIMS to have Remote Viewing 
down 
pat. (Putoff & Targ, Ingo Swann, etc) He says that this skill can be 
taught to anyone, and that he has a group of ex-MI types with 
appropriate 
clearances and analytical skills who are doing things like locating 
Saddam's hidden weapons stores.

Dames BTW moved his company to New Mexico, because a lot of his 
internal 
company-sponsored RV work concerns UFO activity.  He says (like a 
lot of 
people seem to be saying) that something BIG will happen in April 
or May. 
 
Howard Blum mentions in his reviews of Project SCANATE in "Out 
There" that 
many times the presence of UFO's was felt, but that the RV session 
was 
prematurely terminated, presumably by the UFO's!  Dames also 
mentioned 
that RV targeted at UFO's has been less fruitful than against 
terrestrial 
(sp?) targets.

I can only speculate, but I imagine that exposure to anything like 
this in 
a structured environment like the military would be a very 
schizophrenic 
experience.  IF RV is acknowledged in military/govt. circles it 
would be a 
very unnerving thing to walk into a lecture on "national means of 
verification" and have someone talk about a guy sitting in a room 
concentrating on the wall, writing notes about Backfire bomber 
dispositions, etc.  Note that I said ACKNOWLEDGE not make use of.  
I'm 
certain that if such an ability exists in any way, and I have 
personal 
experience to suggest that it does, that it might manifest itself 
(or be 
interpreted by the viewer and those around him/her) as 'hunches', 
'feelings', etc.  IF dowsing rods made from welding rod were good 
enough 
for the Marines to find tunnels with, hunches about which trail to 
take, 
or locations of bunkers, etc wouldn't be too hard to accept either. 
 (Good 
survival skill for fellow on POINT to have!)

I have more thoughts on this subject that I could upload to UFOria 
(1-703-803-6420) in the Washington DC area, since it is straying 
off topic 
to some degree.  I am not well versed in FIDOnet parlance, and 
don't know 
about private NETMAIL, FREQ'ing, etc. SO if you can suggest a 
better way 
to communicate files and such, let me know.

Talkin' to ya later,
Tom Porter


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(10934)   Wed 31 Mar 93  5:28p                        
By: Tom Porter
To: Dan Ross
Re: Gulfbreeze Six?
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Dan, I don't have any idea of what you are talking about. Iwas not
involved in any MI during my 20 years of active duty and really know
very little info of the type you are seeking. Sorry. Could this be a
case of mistaken identity?


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(11160)   Wed 31 Mar 93  9:21p                        
By: Tom Porter
To: Lauri Watterson
Re: Gulfbreeze Six?
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In a message to Tom Porter dated 03-27-93 Lauri Watterson uttered 
these 
sage words:

LW>Tom, excuse me for interrupting, but your 
LW>mention of `SCANNATE' caught my eye.
LW>I am reading a book entitled "OUTTHERE" 
LW>by Howard Blum and Scannate is
LW>referenced in it. This was the first time 
LW>that I had heard/read about it and I
LW>found it to be both interesting and 
LW>unsettlling. What do you know about this?
LW>
LW>According to the book I'm reading, it was 
LW>called RV Remote Viewing, and
LW>demonstrated to governmental officials in 
LW>1985. Apparently there is mmore to
LW>the story than I am aware of. Anyway the 
LW>viewer was able to see UFO's hovering
LW>over submarines.


Lauri,

Please see a leter message to Dan Ross #951, for a little more 
info, but 
if that does not make it, here is some more excerpted from some 
doc's I'm 
putting together:

                A Short History of REMOTE VIEWING

For those of you who are not familiar with Remote Viewing, it
consists of the ability to determine facts about objects,
situations, and events external to the 'viewer's' physical
location.  The simplest cases involve perception of known
objects and surroundings, or the contents of known addresses,
much as an observer on site would see; for example, seeing a
drawing in another room, or seeing a street scene in a city
located across the ocean.

More complex cases involve perception of facts or impressions
not available to an on the spot observer, such as 'sight' in a
pitch-black environment, or locating ore deposits underground.
There are also cases of remote viewing where the viewer is
asked to locate a known person or object at an unknown
location. Lastly there are cases of 'associative' or 'symbolic'
remote viewing involving almost a double-blind kind of
perception, where a third party assigns significant events,
conditions or objects to purely symbolic tokens, and the remote
viewer indicates which of these tokens is of particular
interest, indirectly indicating the desired event.

Naturally the exact mechanism for this ability is much under
dispute.  Seeing what another human being can see, ie. seeing a
crowded street scene, could merely be telepathy.  Seeing a
scene where no other people are present, or plucking facts out
of the ether is more difficult to pin down.  Many different
kinds of para-psychological activity can be classified as
Remote Viewing, depending on your interpretation:  'Finding'
lost objects, locating people, 'reading' personal belongings,
accessing the Akoshic Record (for the Astral Travel folks out
there); all of these refer to gaining knowledge in a
para-normal fashion.

Two researchers named Putoff & Targ, of the Stanford Research
Institute, first worked with Remote Viewing back in the mid
seventies.  One of their more interesting findings was that
almost all people appear to have this ability to one degree or
another.

Later experiments were allegedly done under the auspices of the
CIA and/or Office of Naval Intelligence as part of Project
SCANATE.  These experiments, with their obvious Intelligence
gathering ramifications, have been frequently reported but
never offically confirmed by the U.S. government.

<CONT>>

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(11161)   Wed 31 Mar 93  9:31p                        
By: Tom Porter
To: Lauri Watterson
Re: Gulfbreeze Six?
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<<CONT>>

One of Putoff & Targ's most successful viewers is named Ingo
Swann.  He still performs this service, and has trained others
to Remote View.  One of his students is a man named Ed Dames,
who runs a company called Psi-Tech, located in Albuquerque NM,
which makes guaranteed remote viewing available to corporate
and government clients.  Dames claims that 100 % reliable
remote viewers can be trained, that any one can learn the
discipline, and that his company has a proven track record of
remote viewing sucesses.

Dames claims that natural 'talents' occur in remote viewing,
but just as many natural talents in the fields of music or
sports fail to measure up to the results of trained experts
without training themselves, so Dames feels that observers and
analysts trained to be remote viewers are more useful than
untrained natural talents.  He employs several ex-Intelligence
officers and professionals who have been trained to Remote
View, since their powers of observation and established
security clearances make them ideal viewers.

****

For more information on Remote Viewing, Putoff & Targ, Ingo Swan, 
SRI,
and Project SCANATE; please see the following references.
There are more, but these are the ones I had handy when I wrote
this summary:

Parapsychology: The Controversial Science
by Broughton, Richard S.
Ballentine Books, 1991, ISBN 0-345-35638-1

The Time/Life series, Mysteries of the Unexplained, the volume
on Psychics

Out There
by Blum, Howard
Simon & Schuster, 1990, ISBN 0-671-66260-0

Ed Dames company PSI-TECH can be reached at:
PSI-TECH
Box 212, P.O. Box 27800
Albuquerque, NM 87125

References to PSI-TECH's work can be found in the Washington DC
'Washingtons Times' dated 19 NOV 91, detailing efforts to
locate concealed Iraqi weapons.

************************************************************

The truly weird part is in a conversation with Mr. Dames about 
PSI-TECH, 
he Implied that RV was not limited to spacial displacement, but in 
some 
cases had a predictive component as well!!  (Some kind of 
interpretation 
involving the Holographic Universe paradigm MIGHT support this, but 
it 
makes my head hurt to think about it!) 

I hope this helps some.  My board does not get NetMail, (Not yet) 
so if 
you want to discuss this further or in greater detail Snailmail 
will find 
me 
at:

P.O. Box 340
Bethania, NC 27010-0340

naturally I will follow up here as I can until ruled off-topic.  Ed 
Dames 
really seems to be pretty involved w/ UFO's these days himself.

Til the next time,

Tom Porter





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(7948)   Thu 18 Mar 93  5:43p                        
By: Thomas Karras
To: All
Re: Gulfbreeze Six!!!
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I was wondering what the common belief on the situation was. I know 
one of the members and wanted to know if you all know what really 
happen there.

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(8438)   Sun 21 Mar 93  6:21p                        
By: Russ Long
To: Thomas Karras
Re: Gulfbreeze Six!!!
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  TK> I was wondering what the common belief on the situation was. 
I know
  TK> one of the members and wanted to know if you all know what 
really
  TK> happen there.
 

Please tell us anything you can about the case.



thanks,



Russ

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(8511)   Sun 21 Mar 93  3:11p                        
By: Dan Ross
To: Thomas Karras
Re: Gulfbreeze Six!!!
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 TK> I was wondering what the common belief on the situation was. I 
know
 TK> one of the members and wanted to know if you all know what 
really
 TK> happen there.


Do you want a list of questions?

I was a Military Intelligence Specialist and would like to know 
what kind
of deal was made to obtain the Honorable Discharge.

I would also like to know how accurate the report on pages 188 - 
192 of
"Revelations" is.


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