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(7944)  Tue 14 Jul 92  1:25p
By: Thad P Floryan
To: All
Re: My Thoughts And Experiences
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From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan)
Date: 14 Jul 92 14:00:50 GMT
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic

Seems some people overlooked the smilies ":-)" in my article about the
Lord Capt. Yahweh and his horny band of Zeta Reticulan exobiologists
who transformed some extant creatures into their personal playthings!  :-)

Seriously, though, there are sufficient unexplained mysteries in ancient
writings AND other artifacts, both ancient and recent, which suggest that a
lot has transpired over the years about which we'll probably never fully
understand.

That reference I quoted from the Q'uran (formerly known as the Koran) is
just one of many that have intrigued me over the years: a very explicit
50,000 years and my oblique interpretation as an "effect" of time dilation.

Just suppose "someone" visited an earlier earth and performed experiments.
Another 100,000 year round trip to return to earth to observe the results
"could" be the incidents related in several ancient documents.  This is
something akin to the story in "2001: A Space Odyssey", and is something
"interesting" upon which to speculate.  But I digress.

John Winston mentioned he had met my father who John claims was a "UFO"
researcher.  I cannot speak for either gentlemen, but it was I who introduced
Jacques Valee' to my Dad because of an apparent mutual interest in UFOs.

I met Jacques professionally when he was a staff researcher at the Institute
For the Future (IFF), a Menlo Park CA "think tank."  IFF was utilizing my
company's computers for online worldwide teleconferencing back in the early
1970s.  That same system, NotePAD, was also used to great effect during the
Chernobyl Crisis and is still in use today at my site on a facilities-
management type of arrangement via Tymnet (which itself is interesting,
because I was back at Tymshare in the early days, and my other company at
which I'm VP Engineering is one which produces specialized data processing
computers for TelCo and government clients).

As such, we lunched several times, and I learned he was an Astronomer and
a mathematician.  My background is computational linguistics, compiler theory,
numerical analysis, communication theory, hardware design, microwave IC fab,
etc. with an intense interest in astronomy.  Thus, we had a common ground and
I also learned that Jacques and Dr. Hynek participated in the computerization
of the unique twin-dome observatory at the school where I did some undergrad
studies: New Mexico State University, which also hosts (hosted?) Dr. Clyde
Tombaugh (the discoverer of Pluto) as Professor Emeritus.

I also learned that Jacques authored some v-e-r-y interesting books about
the "UFO Phenomenon" and, of course, I read them, and I share his feelings
and interpretations about the situation.

Interestingly, Jacques and I participated in one "field trip" arranged by
my Dad which attempted to locate a "siting" in the Santa Cruz mountains.
Nothing was found, discovered, revealed or uncovered during that trip.

I believe the reason Jacques consented to the trip was because of my Dad's
background.  As John Winston noted, my Dad was an ex-Army officer; he was also
ex-CIA, and participated in some "interesting" activities during WWII, among
which was "Antwerp X" (for which he received the highest commendations from
Belgium for zapping the V-1 buzzbombs) and the "liberation" of the Von Braun
German rocket team to the USA.

In later years my Dad was strategically involved with the Redstone missile
program (a mod of which carried the first US satellite, Explorer I, into orbit
on Jan 31, 1958) and commanded BOTH the US nuclear missile batallions (40th
and 46th Field Artillery Groups) in Europe during the early 1960s (which also
were Redstone-origined).  As such, both my Dad and I have seen a lot of
interesting things over the years, from USA satellite launches, to
anti-missile-missile tests, you name it.

So, do I "believe" in UFOs?

Let's say I'm still cogitating that answer due to four experiences which
I'll share with you.  As a summary answer, I'll state now that there is
definitely "something" that bears further open-minded study and research.

First experience was during 1957 in San Antonio, Texas, at Fort Sam Houston,
the HQ of the 4th Army.  Saturday night, approx. 11pm, I was building some
plastic rocket models and the radio was tuned to a local rock station (yeah,
Elvis was BIG that year! :-) when all of a sudden a UFO alert was broadcast
on the station.  Don't ask me why, but I just happened to look up and out
the window and saw "something" circular and extremely dark brown that was
just about to pass over the house.

At this same moment, there was intense static on the radio drowning out all
reception; this static lasted about 5 seconds and presumably was caused by the
object as it passed over and away.  Believe me, I was scared shitless (only 11
years old at the time).  All that week there were UFO sightings reported on
the front pages of the San Antonio newspapers.

Second experience was approx. 1964 (my records are "somewhere" out in my
garage) in El Paso TX (actually Fort Bliss, Army Air Defense Command HQ and
home to a SAC base (at the other end of town), and White Sands Missile Range
about 50 miles to the north).  For some reason, approx 1:45am I awoke, arose
from bed, and peered out the window to see a brilliant white oblong-shaped
object whose frontal 10% was brilliantly red moving east to west about 400
yards away and about 100 yards up before it left my view.

Those distances were precise due to the known height of the trees AND the fact
it passed in front of some homes that were about 500 yards away; "in front of"
because of the way the object illuminated the houses.  Sheesh, scared shitless
again.

My sighting was the first that week (I believe this was a Sunday); all week
long afterwards similar objects were reported in the El Paso Times and ALL
descriptions of the object by others were the same [ I still have those
clippings and my original report in my files ].

Third episode, approx. 1967 in Silicon Valley CA.  I was working for the
Electronic Defense Labs, and my Dad was working for Lockheed Missiles and
Space Company.  I was returning home about 9pm and turned to face the street
to see my house key when I noticed a strange stationary aerial light out in the
distance.  Because of my interest in astronomy, I often observe the skies and
I have a "feel" for when things aren't as they should be; this was such a
case.  And the conditions were PERFECT for data collection.

First thing was the ol' binoculars.  Holy Shit.  A classic "UFO": half dome
with fluted edges.  And it was just below the cloud layer (totally overcast
that night), and a fragment of cloud would occasionally "touch" and obscure
portions of the object.

Quick calls to Moffet Field Naval Air Station, US Weather Bureau, San Jose
Airport, etc.  confirmed the cloud layer was at 2400 feet.  Perfect; so we
know how high the object was.  Next step: measure direction and angular
elevation [details of all this are in my notes].  Plotting onto a topo map put
the object DIRECTLY between the main hangar at Moffett NAS and the combined
LMSC/Air Force Satellite Test Center (now known as Onizuka Air Force Base;
which is THE central command for all US spy satellites and, at one time, the
NUMBER ONE military target in the USA).

And for those who don't know, Moffett NAS is also the home of NASA's Ames
Research Center.  Sheesh.  That object was perfectly stationary, did NOT move
(though the flanking clouds obviously were moving), and it remained there for
at least 30 minutes.  My neighbors and many others whom I called all saw the
object and confirmed its existence and appearance (light yellow glow); calls
to the NAS revealed nothing.

Given my measurements of the vertical and lateral angular displacements,
the known height (of the cloud layer), and the known location (simple trig :-)
I was able to calculate the size of the object.  I'm writing this from memory
but it was about 30-40 feet at its widest (and it was about 5 miles away).

The last (and fourth) episode is the one that really has me wondering.  It
was late 1972 or early 1973 (would have to check my old expense reports at
the office for Air Cal expenses for the exact date), but I was regularly
visiting a client site in San Juan Capistrano CA for work I was doing for
light water reactor vessel testing (which later was used for stress analysis
on the Golden Gate Bridge).  Usually I would make the trip alone, get the
work done, fly back.  That day a colleague accompanied me because he wanted
to use some of my stuff in another project for scanning electron microscopes.

Having made the trip scores of times, I knew precisely how long the travel
time by air and by car from John Wayne airport down I-5 to San Juan Capistrano
would take in both directions.  With a 9pm flight from Orange County airport
back to San Jose, we had plenty of time when we finished dinner and left the
Franciscan Restaurant at 8pm; I figured 20-25 minutes to the airport.

As we're headed north on I-5 to the airport, we were discussing the events
of the day, and then I learned my colleague was reared in that area, so he
was pointing out interesting sights and we had a jolly good time joking about
all the slow drivers I was passing (I learned to drive in Europe on ice-covered
autobahns with no chains and no speed limits, so I do, uh, drive rapidly! :-)

Now remember I had made this joourney at least 30 times before, and my
colleague "knew" the area.  We were headed north on I-5 to reach the John
Wayne airport.  Yet, all of a sudden, we were in the middle of who-knows-where
and there were NO other cars in the vicinity.

You talk about confusion; I hit the brakes.  Sheesh.  Then suddenly my friend
said, "I know where we are", and I followed his directions, and we arrive at
the damned airport just as our flight, the last of the day, was taking off
at 9:05pm.  Goddamn, talk about panic.  I also neglected to mention that my
colleague was sporting a cast due to a broken foot experienced a week earlier
when he slipped on ice at Lake Tahoe.

In any event, with the help of Air Cal, we managed to get a flight out of LAX
arriving at San Francisco Int'l at midnight (and yeah, with my car at the San
Jose Airport) (and the story of my attempts to return the rental car at LAX,
finally driving backwards into the #^%$%# return area and popping the tires on
the wrong-way spikes because the car return area was "just outside" the loop,
doesn't belong here :-)

BUT, on that flight, after we had caught our breaths after running to catch
THAT late flight which we almost missed, too, and after one beer, I *FINALLY*
looked at my watch and noticed it had stopped.  I asked my friend the time
and his watch had stopped at precisely the same time.  My watch was an old
Timex electric motor model, and my friend's was a windup something or other.
The time on BOTH watches was 8:55pm; the actual time was about 11:30pm.

Later, the next day, we determined we had somehow "lost" 30 minutes.  That was
the only way to account for our missing the flight from Orange County.  And
how the hell we ended up on that strange road with NO recollection how we
got there when "just a moment earlier" we were on I-5, we'll never know, and
that's a mystery to both of us to this day.

There is another aspect of this last event that interests me: I occasionally
have a dream in which I seem to be rising up in the air over that freeway as
we were heading north.  I look down and see cars travelling on the freeway at
what appears to be a mile beneath us; that's it.  This is inexplicable to me,
and is what I call my "abduction case."

So, these are "my" cases.  And why I attempt to keep an open-mind and attempt
to correlate these events with others.

I don't have any answers.  Perhaps there IS another lifeform on this planet.
If so, it "may" be indigenous, and it might not.  Perhaps it could be to us
as we are to the fish we catch (and throw back) into the water.  Who knows?

I research many things on behalf of my employer and on behalf of my clients.
Sometimes I get sidetracked and onto the trail of something new and completely
different.  One such trail led me to study some ancient documents and some
religious material, which is why my familiarity with the Bible, Q'uran, and
others (and why I have them online, too).

Many passages in the Bible have correspondences in, say, the Q'uran.  And
there are many differences, too.  In the Q'uran, for example, we find the jinn
who were created from fire before humans were created from the black muds of
the earth.  In both the Bible and the Q'uran we find angels.  Studying the
Q'uran, one MUST ponder; and yet we find explicit details such as the 50,000
year measure of one day, and the "periods" of creation; in the Bible there is
seldom such accurate depiction of time passage and it refers to the "days" of
creation.

Many mysteries.

These are some of my thoughts and experiences.  Hope you enjoyed reading
them as much as I did finally putting them down in writing.

Thad Floryan [ thad@btr.com (OR) {decwrl, mips, fernwood}!btr!thad ]

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