UFO Crash Kecksburg: The Untold Story (Documentary)
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On December 9th 1965 near the village of kbur in West County Pennsylvania Witnesses describe an unusual object which fell from the sky into a wooded area according to many accounts' Within hours after the object had fallen, military equipment of personnel began to descend on its normally quiet rural community. Later that evening a military flatbed tractor trailer truck was seen carrying an unusual shaped object away from the area. Some local residents claim that nothing fell from the sky that day. That the story is only a hoax.
What is clear is that many witnesses tell similar accounts about what they experienced on that December date in 1965.
Hello my name is Stan Gordon in 1959 I began an interest in reports of UFO sightings and The Unexplained since that time I have investigated thousands of UFO sightings and other unusual occurrences from across Pennsylvania 2:18 when I was 16 an event occurred not far from my hometown of Greensburg Pennsylvania that created both local and 2:25 National interest the incident upon which this presentation is focused this documentary will provide an Avenue 2:32 expression for some of those involved with the kexb event so they may share their story we will focus on the local 2:39 activity associated with the case as related by area residents as well as persons from the news media law 2:45 enforcement and medical community who will share their experiences associated with the case this documentary includes 2:52 eyewitness testimony some of which being revealed for the first time 3:02 late on the afternoon of December 9th 1965 numerous Witnesses from Canada and 3:07 the Northeast United States observed a brilliant Fireball moving rapidly across the sky sightings of a fireball reported 3:14 over the Pittsburgh and Greensburg Pennsylvania area as well the object made a turn between Greensburg and L 3:20 troe and was reported from local communities as it moved towards the South near luraville the object turned 3:27 again and began to track Northeast towards the kex area were reportedly impacted into the woods those who saw 3:34 the object passing through the sky shortly before it fell believe that what they saw was not a meteor near Norvelt 3:40 two young boys were playing outside when their attention was attracted upwards by an unusual sound one of these boys was 3:47 Randy overly who recalls what he saw that Thursday afternoon I was approximately 10 years 3:53 old I was playing with another friend of mine out in the middle of an open field 4:00 by a cek and uh I heard a 4:06 noise and looked to the I believe it was Northwest and uh we saw an object coming 4:14 at us we could see at a pretty good distance away we watched it come fly over top of 4:20 [Music] us and leave our vision um the object 4:27 was sort of acorn shaped it had a raised 4:34 area around the back it was a brownish grayish 4:40 color there was fire coming out of the back of it it had a rounded part on the very tip 4:48 of it it also seemed to be covered with some type of vapor wrapped around it as 4:55 it flew over it made a hissing [Music] 5:01 noise um it was probably 5:09 only 200 ft in the air when we saw it and we saw it for a you know for a good 5:15 distance coming at us it had a reddish yellowish flame and it Al had a greenish 5:22 color in the Flames when it passed over us it was probably only 200 ft in the 5:27 air at the most and it was moving no faster than a small 5:33 aircraft um in fact we saw it from a good piece away probably a couple miles 5:40 away and we're able to watch it approach us fly over us and fly away from us so 5:46 it wasn't moving very fast at all well I know what I saw and it definitely wasn't 5:51 a meteor I really can't explain what it is what it was but it certainly seemed to be a 5:59 constructed thing you know it it um had smooth edges 6:05 and smooth lines and didn't appear to be a meteor at all to me Bill bully Bush was working 6:13 outside on the CB radio in his car when he saw the object I was out here working on my core 6:19 of a I was putting a a CB radio in it well it was in it but I was trying to 6:25 get more par out of it see where I could go with it and who I could get with with it and I happened to look up in the air 6:32 and I I was down down under the like the dash and I could see this I looking up 6:38 and I seen this blue like a bluish far ball or whatever it called up in the sky 6:44 coming from Norvelt and going towards lville towards the mountain and uh I 6:50 uhoh so I went out on the road and I watched it you could see it and it just seemed like if it uh wanted to go over 6:57 the mountain and it couldn't go over the mountain just seemed like it hesitated then finally it come back and made a 7:03 uturn and went down into cburg other Witnesses saw the object Ascend as well 7:09 after it fell a blue column of smoke was seen rising from the area but it quickly 7:17 [Music] dissipated it was at whjb radio in 7:23 Greensburg the County's first commercial radio station where the station's news and office staff was overwhelmed with 7:29 phone calls calls from residents who reported seeing the brilliant object the late John Murphy was a news director of 7:34 wjb radio at the time of the incident as the story broke he began to document the 7:40 information the control power at the Greater Pittsburgh airport definitely confirmed the fact that there was an 7:47 object in the sky at that time 13 minutes before 5 mayel Maza former office manager of 7:55 whjb radio recalls the event of that day I was employed at whjb radio in 8:03 Greensburg at this particular time um I was in the capacity of bookkeeper and 8:10 office manager um for some reason or other I stayed over that evening um at the radio 8:18 station and there was a number of calls started to come in about 5 5:30 8:23 somewhere around there concerning a sighting of a saucer or a UFO or some 8:29 kind of an unidentified object in kbur Pennsylvania um as time went on the 8:36 calls became more frequent and more steady we received a lot of calls from 8:41 uh a number of radio stations and TV stations uh of course at first I thought 8:46 you know these are just a bunch of people you know playing pranks well as the uh evening went on I realized 8:54 something definitely had or did happen and um they were serious and they were 9:00 excited and there was full of emotion after 6:30 p.m. the radio station 9:05 received the call that earlier something had fallen from the sky into the nearby kbur Woods John Murphy notified the 9:12 state police at Greensburg then drove to the kbur site he was at the scene at about 7:20 p.m. was there for almost an 9:19 hour when Carl Mets the state police fire marshal and another investigator arrived along with a group of other 9:25 people Mets and the investigator went down into the woods with a guy counter and a flashlight when they returned 9:32 Murphy approached the pair to find out what they had found asked Carl did you find anything down there he looked 9:39 puzzled for a second and said I'm not sure then I said well let me ask my 9:45 question a different way after you make your report to the captain do you think you or the captain perhaps may have something to tell me and he said you 9:54 better get your information from the Army now this was the first time that the name Army was brought into the 10:00 conversation this was the first time anyone had made any mention of the military afterwards Murphy went to the 10:07 Greensburg State Police Barracks where he saw Army and Air Force personnel soon he joined a small group of police and 10:13 military who returning to the kexb site upon arrival Murphy was deny entrance 10:18 into the 10:24 woods you know that some of the calls whenever I was taking those uh as I said say uh after about 6:00 or so they 10:33 started to reach outlying areas and I was getting calls from TV stations and 10:39 um radio stations all over the United States and then I started to get these 10:44 calls from the military and the Air Force I remember specifically air the 10:49 Air Force and the Pentagon and I thought oh somebody's playing a crank you know 10:55 why would the Pentagon call here about something like this during the hour following the object's impact various 11:01 activities reported to have taken place in different locations around cburg firemen began a search for what was 11:08 initially thought to have been an airplane which had exploded in the sky which may have crashed the military 11:13 reportedly began to arrive and as words spread about the crash more and more people began to arrive in the area 11:19 including news media representatives from area newspapers and TV and radio stations Bob Gaddy is a professional 11:27 writer who in 1965 worked as a general assignment reporter for the Greensburg 11:32 Pennsylvania Tribune Review he was assigned to the kexb story when it occurred I thought we'd get out there 11:38 and you know there wouldn't be anything but there was a big crowd of people we worked our way up to the uh to a cordon 11:46 off area where there were a lot of State Police and and some people in military uniform I don't recall how many military 11:54 types nor do I recall whether they were Army Air Force Marines what what have you 11:59 but I distinctly remember seeing some military types and I wondered at the time why you 12:06 know why are there military people here um but we couldn't get any answers 12:13 uh they wouldn't let us pass the cordin off area CU my recollection is that 12:19 bottom line was that that the Department of Defense didn't want anybody in there because whatever came down might be 12:27 radioactive and therefore har I think something was down there and that's why they wouldn't let anybody get go in the 12:33 area that's what I I think something landed there I'm not so sure at the time that 12:41 the authorities were really sure what it was because if you if you think about it 12:46 how would they really know unless they tracked it on radar which is entirely 12:51 possible I guess um but uh they may have felt that there was some danger of 12:57 course if there was a national security issue shoot they wouldn't let anybody down there I've never been restricted 13:03 from having access like I was at I've been on I've been on uh uh some 13:11 accident scenes where things were so gruesome that they tried to keep you away from it just because they didn't 13:18 want you bother the family and things like that which is understandable but this seemed far far more restricted 13:25 than that really May it was almost as though you go in there buddy you're going to get 13:31 your head bashed up like I walked up to the I remember walking up to I don't know I guess the state cop said I want 13:37 to go down there I said no you can't go down there said why not said well you don't know what might 13:43 be down there I said that's why I want to go down there to find out they said well you can't I said well what if I do 13:49 you'll be arrested so I guess that was directed enough Ernie Hoffman was a general Sim 13:56 reporter for the tribun review who replaced Bob gy later that 14:01 evening we drove to a place near the village of kbur 14:07 a just a nondescript rural area I was a 14:13 little I remember it being a narrow typical Country Road believe there was a 14:19 fence on the side there were a lot of people there I you wouldn't get this this amount of people uh out in the 14:26 middle of the country for just to to look at the moon or what have you on a winter night or 14:36 early early winter late fall I guess it was so we pulled off along the shoulder 14:43 and the what I remember seeing was across a field maybe a 100 yards away 14:49 near a tree line a what appeared to be a military tractor trailer flatbed tractor 14:57 trailer moving out of the tree line and on the back 15:04 there was something under a tarpoon something that couldn't be seen it wasn't particularly large though 15:10 probably U oh I don't know the size of a couple suitcases maybe something of that 15:17 nature um but it was difficult to see then I recall the next day when I uh 15:23 read Bob gadd's story with the official explanation that there had been a meteor 15:29 the people had seen in the sky but the meteor hadn't landed there it landed somewhere else if it landed at 15:36 all I was really disappointed by that explanation because there was just too much activity down there too much of a 15:43 reaction to this report of a 15:49 UFO for it to be nothing at all there had to be something I 15:55 thought the next day the Tribune Review carried several articles about the incident Gaddy reported no one is being 16:02 allowed near the object State Police officials there he said ordered the area roped off to await the expected arrival 16:09 of both US Army engineers and possibly civilian scientists on the same day 16:15 Captain Joseph duia commanding officer of troop a of the Pennsylvania State Police told the tribun review that the 16:21 search uncovered absolutely nothing the Air Force explained the sighting as a meteor many astronomers are convinced of 16:28 this explanation as well while official records only verify that three members of the Air Force were involved in the 16:34 search many witnesses describe a large number of military personnel in the area that night including members of the 16:43 army the late James maziz was the first assistant fire chief at kbur in 16:48 1965 Jim stated he had responded to the fire station awaiting additional firemen 16:53 to assist in the search reported downed aircraft Maz and another firemen went with the state grou to the top of a hill 17:00 where he saw what he described as bright flashing time blue lights later when Mae returned to the fire station he stated 17:07 that the military was starting to arrive and they used the station as a command post he estimated there were 20 to 25 17:13 military personnel in that area when some of the military brass arrived on the scene he and some other kbur firemen 17:20 drove these officers on their four-wheel drive fire vehicle through the fields to the area of the reported crash site as 17:27 they approached the woods the firemen were told to stop and not to go any further the Military Officers proceeded 17:33 ahead on foot okay when the military was calling me concerning uh this UFO 17:39 sighting at kbur um they were asking me directions they were asking me where it was Etc and 17:46 I was giving them specific directions from Pittsburgh because they evidently they were flying in I don't know but uh 17:54 they were coming in from Washington DC and they needed specific dire directions 17:59 so I did give them directions and I also gave them uh the telephone number of the radio station that if they got halfway 18:06 out there they could um call me again the military equipment and 18:11 Personnel having arrived in the small village created a scene that Robert bstone says he would never 18:19 forget a little later on that evening I decided to take a walk in cburg and uh 18:25 you can see military everywhere I mean no matter where you looked at there was military on the corners up and down the 18:32 roads uh and then if I took a walk a little further down from the store where 18:37 I was standing you could see right down to the uh um far 18:43 Hall and uh you can see the military vehicle sitting down there you could 18:49 tell they were military um because of the I don't know like an off green 18:55 uniform uh they had helmets on their heads uh as in for kbur by the the store and 19:04 up the road and down the road a little bit um I'd say maybe there was 10 12 of them 19:11 standing there they uh they were armed with the rifle 19:17 sidearm and as for me a kid about 15 16 years old I mean that was pretty 19:23 exciting you know to see all the military there all the vehicles and that's something you don't really uh 19:29 forget too easily and as for those people that say that there was nothing there I don't 19:35 know why they're saying it because it it happened it actually happened Larry Snider was sitting with a 19:42 couple of friends at a drive-in restaurant near Norvelt when someone came in and told them of the reported 19:48 Landing we were in a restaurant and there was someone came in and I don't 19:53 remember who it was at that time because that you know that there was 19:59 a craft or a meteor that landed over in kbur so there was three of us got in a 20:06 vehicle and we uh drove over to the site and uh we didn't really know that 20:12 there were military or anything there at that time we you know what we were back then was 20:17 just curious teenagers so uh we tempted to uh get into the site and we know more 20:24 got a car and walked down through the field we didn't get very far and there were there was uh at the point where we 20:31 tried to get in there there was one armed uh military there that said that we were not allowed in and we asked him 20:37 why not and uh he said there was a meteor that landed well I didn't back then I didn't 20:45 even think twice you know for the uh fact that there could have been something other than a mete right so 20:51 what we did we took from that one site where we were I mean from the one part of the road where we tried to get in we 20:56 walked down around the field and we tried to get in another area where there was a a place to you know where we thought 21:04 we could get in to see the the uh craft that landed there and uh well I 21:12 say craft but at this point but but I never got in so we tried to get in there but there was another armed military 21:18 down in there and they would not leave us in so we just turned around and and we left 21:26 I would have to say that the uh military that we saw there the he 21:33 was well they were calm about uh the fact you know that we were there that I 21:39 couldn't see any hysteria anything of that nature they they showed Authority that uh that they didn't want us in the 21:46 area and told us to leave there was no pushing or anything at that point in time whenever I was 21:52 there they just told us to leave and we just did that we just got in the car and left Linda fosha lived on the Green 21:58 greber M Pleasant Road 1965 she describes what she observed that evening 22:04 I lived out on the Greensburg M Pleasant Road which was heading in towards cburg if you kept following 22:11 it I was walking my baby a crying baby at the picture window 22:19 when we see all the activity that goes on traffic up and down uh the Greensburg 22:25 M Pleasant Road my husband had listened to the radio and heard that there was a 22:31 fallen object and we we're watching the uh traffic back 22:39 and forth cuz there was a lot of um police cars and there was just a lot of traffic up 22:46 and down the road and we did see after an hour and a half or so a 22:53 convoy and there was a flatbed truck and just a 22:58 typical Convoy like you would see on the road where they're going to Camp with uh quite a few army 23:05 trucks Robert Bitner a kbur fireman at the time of the incident arrived in the 23:10 vicinity of the impact site later that evening after returning from work Bitner recalls what he saw went back to an old 23:17 farmhouse on the end of the lane and our truck was there and several other farmen 23:24 were there with it well we we gathered around there and they 23:30 talk about different things there for a while and finally here comes a a 23:36 military truck in the same Lane that I had just come in it was a personnel 23:44 carrier and a 6x6 army truck with a canopy on the back 23:51 so they stopped at our truck and they said they were they were 23:57 going down into this this Ravine well couple of us asked I don't 24:04 know the officer rank or nothing but he was he was a highly ranked officer of 24:10 from the I don't even know if it was the Air Force or the Army but he was from 24:16 the military so we asked him if we could go 24:21 down there with them and he said no he said nobody's going down there with they took the 6 to6 24:28 down and they must have stayed down there I'd say approximately a half 24:35 hour and then they can back up out of there and they stopped the same 24:43 place they had I don't know how many men was there with the truck with 24:50 the military but they asked they told us that they were done 24:56 with our trucks that we could take a back to the station so we took our truck there which 25:04 I didn't go back to the station there I lived up there this area and so I went 25:10 on home and the military left they took that 66 25:16 truck out of there on the evening of the occurrence hundreds of people jammed the winding road that bordered the wooded 25:23 area where the object reportedly fell what the crowd didn't know that night was that the object had reported ly 25:28 fallen on the opposite side of the woods from where they were located most of the military activity was occurring in the 25:34 distant fields and on a lane also on the opposite side of the woods while some witnesses claim that 25:40 the military reportedly used a kexb fire station as a temporary command post other Witnesses closer to the impact 25:47 area described the military using their Farmhouse the haaste family had recently rented the house and had been in there 25:54 for only a short time when the incident occurred members of the family recall military and other Personnel around 25:59 their home we first was aware of this my husband was in a living room listened to 26:07 the radio and uh he heard the announcement there was a fireball fell in 26:14 acne so he came out and he told me and we went outside and we're looking up towards AC me to see any smoke or 26:22 whatever and there was nothing so we come back in a house and he's listening and there was reports again and uh I was 26:31 in the living room with him and when I walked out in the kitchen I happened to glance out the window to the road behind 26:39 the house and uh I started laughing I said that isn't in act me it's right here in 26:45 our backyard so he come out and then we walked out along the 26:51 garden seeing what we could see and we heard a lot of people talking we seen 26:56 the cars and there was a smell that night like 27:03 sulfur and uh he was saying maybe it's a furnace so we didn't pay too much 27:08 attention we went back in the house and we was there for a while and he walked 27:14 out my husband went out and he was checking around and the first thing he come in he had I'm pretty sure but not 27:22 positive that it was State cops to come in first and wanted to use the phone and when they went out out he was 27:28 out a little bit and then the military he bring the military in and he told me 27:34 they want to use the phone and one point when he came in he says that uh they're calling in 27:42 NASA so 27:48 uh then there we had uh military in there off and on all evening some in 27:55 uniforms some in plain clothes but there was important people you could just tell 28:02 by their way they acted and mostly they just seen 28:09 groups talking among their themselves but I couldn't hear what they were saying that they used the phone quite a 28:16 bit that evening and there was never no phone calls on my bill where they went 28:21 to and some other people that was in the house kept coming in at different times 28:28 and they would sort of meet in there and they was talking in groups there was I 28:34 know one is a sort of tall guy he had uh a beret on and it seemed to me that it 28:42 was a dark blue uniform on he was military there 28:47 was no doubts about that and then there was a lot of uh ones 28:53 that didn't was in civilian clothes one in particular was a short one heavy set 29:00 with a jacket on and I don't remember what kind of pants he had 29:07 on it's too long ago I just went to bed and her knock on 29:14 the door so I went downstairs to see what was going on and found out that 29:19 there was some military people there and uh when they seen me they 29:26 asked my dad to send me back to bed and before that I had already seen 29:32 all cars and stuff lined up again on the on the roads and on the driveway because 29:38 we got Windows all around the house and my bedroom window faced everything that was going 29:47 on um our bathroom was downstairs so I made 29:52 quite a few trips to the bathroom at night just to see what was going on down 29:57 there there I seen seen people in 30:02 uh well at the time I didn't know you know their their rank or 30:09 their their uh service but since then I've been in 30:14 service myself so I know some of them was Air Force and some of them was 30:20 Army just by the uniforms they was wearing and uh I seen them on the phones 30:29 I did hear one time when uh I was downstairs that NASA was on their 30:34 way and it was right after it was not long after that I heard a knock on a 30:40 door I looked out the window above where the door was at and I 30:46 seen seen some men standing in a white 30:51 coverall type suits and the one had a NASA patch on it and right after that everybody 31:03 left and I went back upstairs it was watching out my window I seen trucks and 31:09 flashlights and every all kind of things going on 31:14 people running around there was cars and trucks all along the highway or all along driveway in fact they was all 31:21 along the highway on the other side of Hill too um but I seen a truck come from 31:27 the drive driveway it went down through the golly in the field went right down 31:33 the hollow the field where they went down through there was a gate there but it's 31:39 always wet right there so they went straight down the 31:45 holla so they cut the fence in the hollow went down straight in the hollow 31:51 once you get down in a little bit you can't really see nothing from the house you can see lights and stuff they had 31:58 everything lit up I seen truck going down in a flat bed going down in and it 32:07 went down in empty it come out with something on the back of it about the size of a 32:12 Volkswagen next day I got up we decided we was going to go down and check things 32:19 out there I went over and the fence was down I had to put the fence back up 32:26 because we had cows down in there I went me and my brother walk down 32:33 through the woods sneak down through the woods and we could see 32:39 where somebody had covered up an area that was in a in a little dry 32:47 wash we could see Treet tops busted off and trees busted 32:54 down we went on down over the hill and over onto the other 33:00 side and when we got on the other side we seen see a guy over there he had 33:10 uh looked like a treasure finder one of those little hand things you know to 33:16 walk around with and uh he chased us out of the woods he told us there was a 33:21 chance of radiation over there I was 10 years old at the time and I'll tell you 33:28 what to me it was exciting I mean I seen all these here military people running around I seen all these people outside 33:34 running around seen all these cars and trucks and it's coming over the radio 33:40 it's UFO that crashed and it was exciting to me you 33:46 know a little kid ain't going to forget something like 33:55 that bill bully bush from my Mammoth saw the object he sent towards kbur he 34:01 quickly drove to the highest point overlooking the area and he saw what looked like blue sparklers down in the 34:06 woods below he may well have been the first person to see the unusual acorn-shaped object on the ground I know 34:12 that place up there I went up the back road so it's oh you overlook kbur you 34:18 can see I mean your way up and I hunted up there a lot I I I understood the 34:23 place so it was just about dark so I grabbed my flashlight and I started down over the hill down in the Ravine and 34:30 across the creek and and I looked up and it was in the patch of woods and I could 34:36 see it just looked like a bunch of kids playing with sparklers and it blew flame and and uh I could closer I got to it I 34:44 could hear this sizzor noise you know and it just seemed like something was like you put piece of Steel in a bucket 34:51 and it it was cooling off you know and uh I went up and Tred to get closer and 34:58 closer and closer and I got kind of scared of it you know so I had the 35:03 flashlight on it and I could see it it just it looked like a like my can up there burnt orange and uh it was still 35:11 Arc and blue flames and coming out of it and it's still sizzling and uh it was 35:16 embedded in in the ground a little bit where it come down and in like belly landed and uh I looked at it and you 35:26 could see uh it had a ring around the back end of it and it had uh some kind of Egyptian marking on it or something 35:33 it looked like backward writing on it I could see where the trees is all bent one way where it come in but uh it just 35:41 seemed like it it came in like an airplane it seemed like it was controlled it it come in real just like 35:47 a I just glided right in and embedded itself right into the bank and uh you 35:54 know like I said that it it was all sealed you couldn't see nothing but uh what I mean if it had been anything else 36:01 it had come straight down and made a big hole on the ground but this thing when it come in it just come in and and 36:06 glided right into the bank and embedded its front end in it and that was the end of it through the course of the 36:12 afternoon and evening others also reported blue light sources from that area it was later learned that some boys 36:18 were running around the area flashing off a camera strobe after hearing about the events of kbur it is likely that 36:25 some of the lights reported were associated with that hoax Jer ransky was not from cburg but states that his 36:31 involvement with the incident was a result of his being a member of an area volunteer fire department that was 36:37 called out to assist in a search for a possible downed aircraft we're going through the fields and the woods and 36:44 everything with flashlights and that spread out 20 30 yards apart and we're searching for any signs 36:52 of some type of crash or impact area and over the walking talking we heard 36:58 another team calling in that they had found the impact area and they were telling where it was and everything and 37:03 we realized it wasn't no more than a couple hundred yards down in front of us in the woods so abandoning in our search 37:10 area the whole team which comprised if I can remember correctly I think it was five guys we ran down through the 37:17 woods got down there and here to our surprise was the other team 37:24 and the impact area we didn't discuss discover and conventional aircraft as we 37:30 know it what we did find was a very large metallic 37:36 object there was no signs of entry in it there was no signs of Windows Port holes 37:43 doors uh there was no signs of wings there was no signs of a tail assembly uh 37:49 there was no sign of Motors of any type ones to another and it caught us totally by 37:56 surprise because here I was expecting to see this 38:02 aircraft or a smashed up aircraft in these uh Woods where we uh were 38:09 at and lo and behold this was not the uh thing that we 38:15 expected now the object itself was entirely made of metal I did not see no 38:22 seams or rivet marks where this thing was put together I seen no signs of 38:28 getting into this object and the front of it or what I presume 38:35 was the front of it was pushed down into what I thought at the time was a 38:41 complete um like it smashed into the ground and plowed itself 38:48 in so how much of it was buried down and under the ground or the brush and the 38:54 leaves and everything that it was there uh I don't know now the part that I did 39:01 see was probably oh 10 12 15t long and maybe I don't know 8 9 10 12T in 39:10 diameter I know from what I seen it was out of the ground and in this Gully it 39:15 was in or whatever it was that a grown man if he was standing 39:20 up inside it would have had no problem at all moving inside of it the very 39:26 unique thing about the object there was no signs whatsoever of any type of 39:32 propulsion unit on it I have described this object in shape as a huge egg 39:41 corn because it had a sloped side to it 39:46 and then it came back and it was uh lifted up a little bit in the back like it was a bumper going the whole way 39:52 around it and then it dropped down and came straight down the back but on this 39:58 bumper was these geometrical and all kind of designs uh I have used the 40:05 terminology it reminded me of the Ancient Egyptian Hieroglyphics whether 40:10 or not that was an exact uh description I don't know there was lines there was 40:16 uh zigzag lines and stars and circles and all kind of various different little shapes like I said it looked like 40:23 someone took a welding rod and just welded a bead for in some type of different designs the bumper itself was uh had 40:31 radiuses coming off of the surface of the object came up went around and again 40:38 another radius and back to the surface of the object to me it resemble like 40:43 somebody cast us out of metal I mean there was you couldn't see a seam a 40:49 brake nothing in it even where the bumper was this is just one big shape of 40:54 metal and then the back was perfectly smooth I like said I didn't see no doors no windows no Port holes no engines no 41:01 nothing there was nothing sticking out there was no cracks no rivets no weld seams nothing this is why I use the word 41:09 impact area because to me right away I thought uh-oh I know that we were in out of 41:16 space at the time maybe one of these big satellites or something we shut up came 41:22 down but also in the same token looking at these writings or 41:29 hieroglyphics whatever they were were nothing I've ever seen about 15 minutes after romansky arrived at the impact 41:35 site two men in overcoats came down through the woods these two guys came down out of the 41:43 woods looked at us and told us that uh we had to get out 41:50 of there because this was now a quarantined area and to get our bus out of there and 41:59 leave well been a volunteer fir fireman our we did our main objective we got to 42:04 the impact site we did a preliminary search couldn't find survivors or bodies 42:09 or anything we were being relieved by somebody so we decided to get out of 42:15 there so we started leaving and I know we hadn't gone no more than 20 ft from 42:21 the object and down through the woods here comes a bunch of military people I mean there was no no doubt in anybody's 42:29 mind that these were military they had full-blown Uniforms on carrying all kind of equipment in that and we P probably 42:36 passed within five to six to seven feet of each other even with flashlight you could see I'm Shin it right on them they 42:43 shine their lights on us and you can see that they were military how many there was I don't know I know I seen four or 42:51 five and there was more lights coming down through the woods and I had no idea where they were 42:57 coming from well I was down there I mean just the day before that because I was 43:03 down there milking cows I went down there we hunted down we played down there I knew the area real well and I 43:10 was down there just day before like I said I brought the cows out to be milked and trees and everything was 43:18 still up then and next day when I got down in 43:23 Treetops are busted trees knocked down it was an erosion that did that bill 43:30 Weaver was a teenager at the time and he drove to the area after hearing on the radio that an object had landed I was uh 43:38 out that evening I was riding around in my car I had a red olds convertible I 43:43 listened to the radio whjb and they come over and said that there was an object landed in kbur so I come upon some 43:51 people standing along the road and I pulled off onto a Farm Road went back there and I seen some 43:57 more other people standing I parked my car I got out I went over those people I looked down into a small Ravine it 44:04 was some scrub trees that type of thing down in there I could see there was 44:10 something was down there but I couldn't tell what it was I could see there was a 44:15 a bright light coming from it uh we stood around we talked I uh 44:22 went and got a spotlight out of my car I was going to play that down in there to 44:28 see if I could get a better idea what it was a fell come up out out of the uh up 44:37 through the field I'll put it that way up through the field and told me to put the spotlight 44:42 away used a commanding voice type of thing such as maybe he was a policeman 44:48 or whatever but he was just dressed in street clothes uh I put the light away at that 44:56 point a little while later there was a large truck pulled in a light colored truck a box van type out of it there was 45:04 four guys come out they had what we called Moon suits at the time they were white coverall type 45:10 suit they took a box out of there box maybe four or 5 foot square 45:18 They carried in four handles and They Carried that down to the object about 45:24 just right after that there was a milit man come over to the car and he told us 45:30 to leave and I got into an argument with him and told him I didn't you know I wanted to stay I didn't want to leave at 45:37 that point he told me that he would confiscate my car if I didn't so we then 45:43 myself and the other people we pulled out left and they made sure we were out of the area and wouldn't let us back in 45:51 Weaver's description of the four men dressed in white protective suits carrying what appears to have been a 45:56 specialized container towards a reported impact site raises some questions did these men have knowledge that there was 46:02 something inside of the object that they wanted to recover Jerry betters a well-known jazz musician in the 46:07 Pittsburgh area states that he also went to kbur that evening after hearing about the incident on the radio betters claims 46:15 that not only did he see numerous armed military personnel in the area that night but for a short time he saw the 46:21 acorn-shaped object uncovered on the back of an army flat dead truck that's what I call my friend up and he's 46:28 driving me up there he's like like I'm crazy okay but I'll take you up there so 46:35 when I we go up this dirt road when I see these soldiers I'm elated because I 46:40 know what I heard had to be true because all these army people there you know I just felt happy cuz I I knew you know 46:46 what I heard it was true and they were standing there with their guns and everything then out of the woods came 46:52 this army truck khaki K with a big white star on it would had this 46:58 UFO in the back of [Music] it then I was so excited my heart is 47:05 beating my minute cuz I I always believed in these things and to see it you know was really something that's 47:10 when this guy this officer came down very nasty holl get these people out of here and with these guys they their 47:17 guns and put them on us and I was begging the people I was with come on let's park and pull over in the woods or 47:22 something like that I want to say this but they they were pretty nasty to us they did have the the guns pointed at us 47:29 there's an army truck long flat bit on it it was long enough to hold this thing 47:34 to set this thing on and it it was like to me it looked copperish 47:40 looking maybe it was burn or something but it was copperish 47:46 looking it it was big what I was what I would be expecting to see if I was going 47:51 to see UFO would be just a great big you know flat circular thing but this was different it was doed and had the 47:58 friends out and I saw the hieroglyphics on it later in the evening the crowds began to leave cburg since they were 48:05 unable to get anywhere near the area where the object reportedly fell some people were given an explanation as to 48:11 what was found I can remember you know that now you got to look at back this is 30 years ago I'd have been uh in 1965 I 48:18 was 19 years old and and if the military told you you weren't allowed in there was uh none of us pressed the 48:26 issue about going going in uh they just flat out told you you know that you're not allowed Beyond this point and they 48:33 told us to clear out and uh I remember uh in fact I'm the one 48:41 that ask I asked him the uh the second one that I saw because I asked him what 48:49 uh uh you know what crash in the field and he told me it was a meteorite but back then I I didn't think twice about 48:56 there being uh armed military not leaving you in at a uh a meteorite site and I had never 49:05 given this one thought since that because back then I was living in Michigan and I was just back here for the for the Christmas holidays to see my 49:13 uh my parents and I had never given this another thought for the last 30 years 49:18 until I saw that there was going to be on uh on TV there was a show and that's 49:25 only the first time I had ever even thought thought about that since that since that uh since that night so and 49:32 once they said that it could have been something other than a meteorite and that's what makes you think now why 49:39 would they need armed military there to guard a meteors and this guy walks up and we 49:46 could hear him telling other people you can leave you can leave you're just dismissed and you're released and all 49:52 this you know and we couldn't wait come on come on let's get out of here we're freezing to death you know guy comes up do okay guys you can leave good job blah 50:00 blah blah blah and like I said I don't remember exactly if it was me or someone 50:05 in my team says well what was it but I'll never forget his 50:11 answer he looked it us it was a meteorite well 50:17 nobody questioned the guy okay we wanted to get out of 50:22 there before we left though I can distinctly remember me 50:28 and my senior first aid instructor he looked at me I looked at him and I a no 50:34 way that that was immediate right he said no he said you're 50:41 [Music] right late that night Witnesses spotted 50:46 a military flatbed truck coming from the direction of the reported impact site I was standing by the kbur 50:53 store and down off for Snake Hill comes a uh Jeep and then right behind it was a 51:02 military flatbed truck with an object on it and it was covered over with a uh 51:09 tarp and the way it was covered and tied you could tell and see a shape of whatever the object was and the object 51:17 was like a uh egg corn shape and uh behind it was like another military 51:25 vehicle I'm not exactly sure if it was a Jeep or a truck and uh they went down 51:32 past the Pepsi Plant and if you got in their way at the speed that they were 51:37 going you would never gotten out of the way all a sudden down over this hill here comes a Jeep with a red light on it 51:44 here comes the flatbed truck but this time on the back of that flatbed truck 51:49 was a very large tared object and to me 51:55 I would say the size of the object on the back of the truck even though it was covered 52:00 with a tarp was just about the size of the object that had been laying up in 52:05 the impact area behind that flatbed truck was another Jeep with its light 52:12 red light on now they come down that road hellbent for leather and I tell you what I've used the expression that if 52:19 anybody would have ever walked out on that road they would have scraped them up with a putty knife cuz they wasn't 52:24 stopping for nobody the military Convoy reportedly journeyed 52:29 to what was then lockborne Air Force base near Columbus Ohio after a short stay over the object was transferred to 52:36 right Patterson Air Force base near Dayton Ohio myON was a truck driver working for 52:42 a large Ohio supply house a few days after the kexb incident occurred he was 52:47 delivering special bricks to right Patterson Air Force Base he was unloading the bricks when he saw 52:52 something that changed his life something he wasn't supposed to see 52:57 and we found the base and they took us from the back side of the right 53:03 Patterson Air Base all the way through the main part of the base out the other side down Maple Street to the 53:12 old Rec uh training center for World War II when I walked into pril I seen the 53:19 Bell shape it was um sitting there on stealths and it had a great big 53:25 parachute or something draped down over the top with a light up underneath the parachute trying to cover this thing up 53:32 so no one could see it and you could see a ladder leaning against the Bell where 53:37 they was trying to get in through one of the openings and the guard said that you 53:44 wasn't allowed to be in here but how I've already seen everything in there so 53:49 it didn't bother me when he ran me back out the spaceship looked like a a large 53:55 Acorn right runs about 14 ft to the top and about 10 to 12 ft wide at the bottom 54:01 with a collar on it that has writing on the collar and it had a triangle on it and 54:09 it looked like the triangle was put on there with a welder by sticking the welder against 54:16 the metal to shape the the writing and the writing was all the way around the Bell shape of it and the black the back 54:24 the bottom of the Bell shape was completely black and around the top of the edges 54:31 was was Smoke covered and the space thing looked like it was copper or 54:36 bronze well the brick that that they was using was the same brick at the building 54:42 was made out of and they was going to make it to look like that was a part of 54:48 that building and no one would ever know the difference because if you look at the Bu 54:55 The Brick that they used was the same brick that the building was made out of one to do with this brick is to enclose 55:01 it for many years later no one would ever know what what was in that corner of that building because it the brick 55:08 was the same brick that the building was made out of they was going to in 55:14 tement another driver who worked for the same Supply Company also saw what he 55:19 described as a liberty bell-shaped object covered with a tarpine on a flatbed trailer at the base the day 55:25 before during the time of the event the Air Force was officially investigating UFO 55:31 sighting reports under the name of Project Blue Book this copy of the official Project 55:37 Blue Book Report on the incident lists the official explanation as a meteor in the reported states that a further call 55:44 was made to the Oakdale Radar Site in Pennsylvania a three-man team has been dispatched to Acme PA to investigate and 55:51 pick up an object the start of the fire the report also says that the search for the object continued until 2: a.m. that 55:58 nothing was found Witnesses state that they saw both Air Force and army Personnel at the site over the years 56:05 there has been some confusion over the fact that the Air Force report identifies Acme as location of the 56:12 incident rather than cburg it is likely that this is due to the fact that one of the witnesses which the Air Force had 56:18 contact with had an acne mailing address which is only a short distance from an imported impact site at cburg since both 56:26 the Air Force report and various news sources verified that some members of the 662 radar squadron from Oakdale were 56:34 involved in the search for the object I obtained the records of that unit for that period while the report contains 56:40 detailed information about the operations of that unit for that time period it contains no mention of the 56:46 incident I have learned however that information of this nature may have not been entered into these reports but may 56:53 have been classified in records at a higher level research over the years leads us to 56:59 consider the possibility that some facts about the keur case were hidden from the 57:04 public Dr William Everett established his practice in Opthalmology in the Pittsburgh area in 57:10 1955 he was affiliated with the ioner Hospital of Pittsburgh Dr Everett has 57:16 extensive credentials and is well known in his field the incident that my involvement with the cburg incident goes 57:22 back to my relationship with Dr Murray f m Asin who was chairman of the 57:28 Department of Opthalmology at the University of Pittsburgh and at the ioner hospital as I had stated earlier I 57:36 worked closely with Dr McCaslin with the residency teaching program and became a 57:41 confidant of his over the years we hunted together we fished together he 57:47 became a father figure and a true mentor to me and we had a quite a close 57:54 relationship one after noon we met as we usually did during the week to discuss 58:01 the events that had occurred in the program and what matters needed attended 58:07 to and after we had pretty well uh covered program matters Murray took me 58:14 aside and very confidentially and very seriously said bill I want to tell you a story that you might find interesting 58:21 and he said but you must never tell anybody under any circumstances about 58:26 this story and I said fine Mark Murray was a very highly 58:32 regarded person as chairman of the Department of Opthalmology and had without a question one of the biggest 58:39 surgical practices in Western Pennsylvania and probably one of the larger surgical 58:46 practices in the country at the time he was a man who was considered with high 58:51 regard and I really was quite puzzled at uh what story he might have for me but 58:59 he always had something interesting to say in our conversations that he told me he had 59:05 been called to faul Clinic which is the outpatient department at that time of 59:11 ioner Hospital down on Fifth Avenue and when he arrived there there were several 59:18 officers Military Officers who had brought a young boy approximately aged 17 as I could 59:27 gather and Dr McCaslin was asked to examine this young 59:32 man all he was told was that he had been 59:37 burned uh somewhere in the kbur area 59:43 this involved his eyes only and they wanted his opinion as regards his eyes Dr mcass told me that when he 59:51 viewed this individual with a microscopic uh lamp we use slit lamp 59:57 that the corneas of both eyes were white and opaque he had never seen anything a 1:00:04 startling as this in his entire career I might add that I have not either in my 1:00:11 career he was advised not to make any record of this or any notes uh he told 1:00:19 them that he felt that the only thing that to be done was to observe this young man at the time the Military 1:00:26 Officers took the young man away no record was made no record was 1:00:31 kept Ron Asbury was the operations manager for wab radio in Greensburg at 1:00:37 the time of the occurrence yeah I think like I say I left the radio station again I'm just 1:00:43 guessing somewhere between 7 and 8:00 uh and I was pulling into my 1:00:48 driveway and I again it was around 9:30 10:00 I would imagine when I heard the 1:00:54 uh the ab see news reports saying that a flying saucer uh had been had crashed in 1:01:01 Western Pennsylvania and uh was being investigated and the person who was on 1:01:08 the duty that night at kqv called me and wanted to know what was going on because he was getting reports from my news 1:01:15 director John Murphy and he was just questioning the veracity of this person and I was telling him that you know John 1:01:21 was was reliable and it was uh then a little while later uh in the evening 1:01:27 that uh the person who was on duty at kqv called me and again wanted to know what was going on because he had 1:01:33 received a telephone call from the headquarters in New York ABC New York 1:01:38 telling them not to use the story anymore and to tell John Murphy not not to call him um and that seemed rather 1:01:44 unusual because whatever it was it was still a big story all of the local radio stations and television stations had 1:01:51 sent uh Representatives out there to investigate and it seemed rather odd that uh that they would just want to 1:01:57 stop the story right when it was at its its peak Scott crane has been researching 1:02:03 the UFO mystery for many years and is a state section director for the mutual UFO Network during his research he came 1:02:10 across some interesting information about the kbur case on May 30th 1991 Dr 1:02:17 Armen Victorian a researcher from Nottingham England called Dr Eric Walker of State College Pennsylvania Dr Walker 1:02:24 was the executive secretary of the R&D board for the US government back in the early 50s he had certain security 1:02:30 clearances and he even it's been speculated that he had attended some meetings at Ray Patterson Air Force Base 1:02:36 involving crashed UFOs uh Dr Walker also served as the 1:02:42 president of the Pennsylvania State University Arman asked Dr Walker if he could recall uh an object coming down 1:02:49 near kbur Pennsylvania in in December of 1965 Dr Walker reportedly responded that 1:02:55 he not only remembered the incident but he was summoned to the crash site 1:03:01 accompanied by two military personnel uh our men went on to say then 1:03:06 what what did you find and Dr Walker simply said in a quote I cannot comment on that I can't tell you now if the 1:03:13 object was a meteorite or an asteroid or some other kind of astronomical phenomena there'd be no reason why Dr 1:03:19 Walker couldn't identify the object why was there a secret if the probe was a 1:03:25 Ral probe that is from a foreign nation and we when we got there the government got there and decided Well we want to 1:03:31 keep this we'll call a metor right and take this back to our Labs then that could be one explanation however if that 1:03:37 happened then they broke a United Nations agreement made in 1962 an international agreement which stated 1:03:44 that uh foreign country's debris or space debris Falls in your backyard then you're to give it back to them another 1:03:50 explanation that might be an extraterrestrial probe that is an object that came from someplace else if that 1:03:57 happened then we opened up another whole can of worms only a few days after the kbur incident occurred wjab news 1:04:04 director John Murphy along with other members of the news staff collected information for a radio documentary on 1:04:10 the incident called object in the woods weed other calls early tonight 1:04:16 from some other people who said they had changed their mind now at the last minute and did not one of the statements 1:04:22 they had made over this past weekend used on this radio program tonight one person said that they was afraid of 1:04:28 the State Police and another person said they did not want to get in trouble with the Army we will present a cut and 1:04:36 edited version of the radio program object in the woods we regret that postive program had to be censored and 1:04:44 other parts of the program had to be cut out entirely Murphy had indicated on his 1:04:50 broadcast that no political or other influences concerning this program had occurred yet some people who were close 1:04:56 to him remembered events which could suggest otherwise Bonnie milel was a wife of John Murphy at the time of the 1:05:03 occurrence he was annoyed he had already gotten this all done and he had to turn around and change a lot of it which took 1:05:10 more time and he didn't really like having to 1:05:15 do that you know since he had his story all done and it was a good story he was starting not to talk a whole lot about 1:05:22 what was going on with the specifics of it um uh people evidently seemed afraid 1:05:27 for some reason and he wanted to get this story out 1:05:34 um a week or two after that after they uh had censored or the the program had 1:05:41 to be so censored that uh he clammed up all of a sudden himself wouldn't talk 1:05:47 about it nothing I saw nothing about the story around the house usually he has papers 1:05:54 and stuff you know I didn't see anything laying loose in the car so just like it never happened 1:06:03 somebody had to have gotten about gotten to him because it was very unlike John 1:06:09 to just drop something I mean this is like the story of his lifetime I mean 1:06:15 it's the way he treated it it was a good story and he 1:06:20 had so much there I mean he was right there on the scene 1:06:26 uh spoke to numerous people everybody had seen this that or another whatever 1:06:31 their particular story was and all of a sudden nothing not a 1:06:40 word it was totally unliking to drop something like that 1:06:46 Linda fosa was a continuity director at wjb radio in Greensburg when the 1:06:51 incident occurred I remember quite a bit of activity I remember a lot of 1:06:57 interviews being taken by people that had seen the object I remember John being 1:07:06 really excited about the program he was preparing uh he had everything ready to 1:07:12 go for broadcast however a few days later I'm 1:07:19 not sure of the exact time on that but I remember men coming in wanting to talk 1:07:24 to John and uh he I know he was highly upset at the time these men come in I do he was 1:07:32 real agitated and I remember uh after they had 1:07:38 left that he had said they had taken what he had had uh 1:07:45 taped and he was quite upset because he had spent a lot of time 1:07:50 and he had known what he had seen and and there was too many people people that had come forward at the time and he 1:07:58 just was really agitated regarding the kbur incident and the tapes that John 1:08:04 had prepared in the program he wanted to present on the air he was really gho at the time on it 1:08:12 and he was very excited about how it had turned out and after 3 or 4 weeks he 1:08:20 just kind of turned silent on the subject he really did not want to discuss it with anyone and he just would 1:08:27 change the subject U fast it wasn't that he was scared it just that he did not 1:08:34 want to say anything further on the subject did Murphy himself see something 1:08:39 that day that he never revealed and did he have evidence of the event that he also never made public for some reason 1:08:46 so when he got out there he started phoning me or calling me on the CB and uh giving me information to call 1:08:54 back which I did uh he told me that something had 1:09:00 landed in the woods he didn't know what but he was going down there and there were people starting to 1:09:06 Mill around and and people that were getting there from it so I 1:09:14 waited and he called me back and uh he said it had landed down 1:09:22 in the woods it was partially buried had some funny kind of writing on it 1:09:28 something like Egyptian writing hieroglyphics and um when he came back 1:09:36 up uh at some point there military had come in the state police were 1:09:44 there uh he couldn't get back down they took the film out of his 1:09:49 camera but I believe he still had some in his pocket that they didn't get they 1:09:55 didn't find uh he had his tape recorder with him he always took notes so he had 1:10:01 his notepad and I saw the notes I know John had pictures of the object he told 1:10:07 me he did he wouldn't lie about that it's too good a story to pass up while traveling out of state several years 1:10:13 after the cburg incident John Murphy was killed in a tragic hit and run accident I was shocked when I heard the news of 1:10:19 his untimely death it was only a few weeks before that John had sent me the original uncut real real master of the 1:10:26 radio documentary for meet the copy for research purposes my copy of that tape 1:10:31 has mysteriously disappeared while there is no evidence that would relate Murphy's tragic accident to the kbur 1:10:37 incident his former wife feels that his death was suspicious got in 1:10:44 California Santa Barbara area and as I was told as I read on the 1:10:52 police report he was looking at are crossing the road to look at the oil slicks up in Santa 1:11:03 Barbara at 10:00 at night he was crossing a road and a VW come around 1:11:10 come down the [Music] road 60 plus miles an hour hit him well 1:11:18 along with the police report that didn't make a whole lot of sense 1:11:24 and finding out things and looking back in retrospect um the whole thing didn't 1:11:31 make sense it's like somebody want to shut him up you 1:11:36 I've wondered this for years because the whole thing didn't make any sense why 1:11:42 would he cross a road at 10:00 at night 1:11:47 to see an oil slick late Carl Mets was a state police fire marshal and he was well respected 1:11:54 in the greensbor community over the years Mets was approached by various people some of whom he had known 1:11:59 well asking about his involvement with the kbg incident but he indicated that he could not talk about it Bob kovaleski 1:12:07 was a former Pennsylvania state trooper who spoke with Carl Mets shortly after the incident occurred well at the time 1:12:13 of the kbur incident uh I was a trooper with the Pennsylvania State Police and I was uh doing some investigations down in 1:12:20 the Philadelphia area uh but I did live in Greensburg at that time was commuting back and forth 1:12:26 on weekends and uh I heard about the cburg incident through the media in 1:12:32 Philadelphia and I was curious about it and uh one weekend when I was home I ran 1:12:38 into uh Trooper Carl Mets who was the uh fire marshal for the State Police in our 1:12:44 area and uh I asked Carl if he heard anything about it he said that he was at the scene the night that it 1:12:51 happened and he said that he was sworn to secrecy by an army officer that was 1:12:57 uh at the scene that evening and he couldn't discuss it any further so I respected his decision on that and 1:13:03 change the subject and that's all I know about the kbur incident other than what I read in 1:13:09 the paper and heard on the street it was about 20 years after the incident that 1:13:15 Carl Mets reportedly discussed with a group of police officers at Greensburg City Hall that he had been at the kexb 1:13:21 crash site and he had seen something unlike anything he had ever encountered before Howard Burns was a dispatcher for 1:13:28 the city of Greensburg Police Department when this conversation occurred I was working as a dispatcher 1:13:35 in the Greensburg police station this was in the early 1:13:42 1980s when they some of the the the policemen that were on duty coming in at 1:13:48 changes shift and that and we were sitting there discussing strange events that various ones had seen and so 1:13:56 forth and Carl Mets was there 1:14:02 and he had said that he was one of the first Troopers to arrive on the scene at 1:14:10 cburg and that he had gone down to the area where the uh object had 1:14:18 impacted and that he uh believed from what he had seen that at 1:14:24 first first that it was a uh air aircraft crash site because it can 1:14:30 knocked several trees over and it impacted into the ground but when he came across the object partially buried 1:14:37 in the ground he could see that it was no no object that like anything that he 1:14:42 had ever seen before and that while he was 1:14:48 there he uh several military personnel arrived they ordered everyone out of of 1:14:55 the area including him and they also ordered him never to discuss this with 1:15:01 anyone of what he had seen that night there at cburg I don't know why Carl 1:15:08 decided to discuss it at that particular time although from his discussion and 1:15:13 from what he said that evening he was not revealing everything that he knew or 1:15:19 had seen at that location when he was there 1:15:25 he was still maintaining a certain amount of secrecy as far as a lot of the details of what he had seen all he was 1:15:34 all he would say was that he was there he had seen the object that it wasn't anything like anything that he had ever 1:15:40 seen before but he wouldn't go in he wouldn't elaborate 1:15:45 on what what it was or what it might have been he literally said he just said 1:15:51 he you know he he had been told never to discuss it and that he you know wasn't going to discuss it any further I knew 1:15:58 Carl Mets for uh oh a good eight years and always 1:16:04 respected him highly as all the other guys did on the state police force he was a top-notch investigator very 1:16:11 honest certainly a very credible person uh so I I would uh 100% believe 1:16:18 any statement that Carl made to me I'd have no reason ever to doubt anything he 1:16:24 was a very serious person uh and very uh wellth thought of uh Statewide on his Pennsylvania State 1:16:31 Police Force Carl Mets was a very respected man in this entire area and he 1:16:41 valued his Integrity very much he 1:16:47 would a lot of people really respected him because of the fact that he was a very honest and 1:16:53 very had highly intelligent and had a lot of 1:16:58 Integrity in both his personal and professional career if an object was 1:17:04 recovered do official reports exist that the public has not seen in 1990 Clifford 1:17:09 Stone retired from the United States Army he is now active in UFO research Stone and another former military 1:17:16 officer who are unknown to each other both state that they have seen an official report on the recovery of the 1:17:22 object from kbur No Such documents have ever surfaced for public scrutiny while I was in the 1:17:29 military I got to see a document the document talks about uh a 1:17:38 recovery uh in uh the Pennsylvania area and I think it refers to acne 1:17:47 Pennsylvania it makes in that document it makes it quite clear we recovered uh 1:17:53 an object that the object in fact uh was not 1:17:59 Soviet and it also makes it quite clear that the object did not originate on the 1:18:05 face of the Earth that on the night of December 9th 1:18:11 1965 something entered the Earth's 1:18:16 atmosphere something went down in Pennsylvania 1:18:25 something was recovered by the military and whatever that something is 1:18:33 is considered by the United States intelligence Community to be so 1:18:41 sensitive that they will even lie to members of 1:18:47 Congress to keep that information highly classified and buried out W from the 1:18:57 [Music] public over the years there have been 1:19:02 many explanations for the kbur object including the crash of a spy plane an expelled gmany capsule a Nike missile 1:19:09 fired in air and a projectile shot from a giant gun on a railroad car in Canada none of these explanations seems to fit 1:19:17 with the information at hand and of course we have the meteor explanation the following eyewitness accounts 1:19:22 suggest that this was not just junk burning up but appears to have been a device which had some form of guidance 1:19:29 control capability well it was flying at a very slow speed it made a a deep hissing 1:19:37 noise it didn't seem to speed up or slow down it just maintained a steady speed 1:19:43 as it flew over us I see this object coming down from like it's coming from 1:19:49 laville into kbur and uh it was like a fireball with this uh 1:19:55 different color streamers coming from it like a like a vapor and uh it wasn't gone fast like as 1:20:03 if it was coming down and was out of control and it was going to crash this is more like a uh mod type speed and you 1:20:11 could tell by watching it the way as it descended that it was being controlled Lewis Winkler has been a 1:20:18 professor at Penn State University in the department of astronomy for over 31 years distinction uh among the terms 1:20:25 meteor meteoroid and meteorite um an object in space whether it be stone or 1:20:32 metal or a mixture is called a meteoroid as it enters Earth's atmosphere and 1:20:38 excites the atoms in the atmosphere and it's luminous it's a mete meteor and uh 1:20:44 if it survives the flight doesn't burn up it becomes a meteorite an especially 1:20:49 bright meteor is a fireball uh the cburg object did occur 1:20:55 during the meteor uh shower of the Geminids but uh the showers are are 1:21:02 almost never uh accompanied by a fall of an object if a fall does occur like from 1:21:08 an asteroid it's only coincidental in in timing and these things are sporadic 1:21:13 whereas uh meteor showers are uh annual things that occur at the same time each 1:21:20 year the data which points to the the fact that it's not a a natural 1:21:26 phenomenon is the very slow speed that it had uh during the last part of its 1:21:32 trajectory and uh the size of the object being far greater than anything uh uh 1:21:38 you would ever expect to recover without a a crater and the fact that it was hauled out by a flatbed truck if 1:21:44 anything that size if it were stone or iron uh would not uh be transportable by 1:21:50 the truck the military responding to uh a meteor uh is most unusual I I can't 1:22:00 think of any uh other uh meteors where where that kind of response uh occurred 1:22:06 for many years the most likely answer for the kexb object was a Soviet Venus space probe designated as cosmos 96 the 1:22:14 US space command records indicate that the probe reentered the Earth's atmosphere on the same date as the 1:22:20 incident but at about 3:18 a.m. in Canada the the naval space surveillance 1:22:25 Center database also confirms Cosmos 96 decaying on that day the Cosmos series 1:22:32 satellite does have some similarities to what Witnesses say the object looked like at cburg in June of 1995 I received 1:22:40 a direct response from the Russian space agency concerning Cosmos 96 while I had asked many specific 1:22:48 questions about the probe which went unanswered the letter did State unfortunately we were unable to spot 1:22:55 direct correlation between flight of satellite Cosmos 96 and incident in town 1:23:00 of kbur if indeed a Soviet device had fallen to kbur it was the obligation of 1:23:06 the United States under the United Nations resolution to return the recovered space object to that country 1:23:13 Clifford Stone after having met with visitors from the Soviet Union interested in UFO matters heard another 1:23:20 possible explanation for what occurred they immediately St ated that 1:23:25 from sources was inside their own government involved in UFO 1:23:32 investigations that they were informed that uh Cosmos 96 had 1:23:38 collided with an object of Unknown Origin that came from out in space 1:23:44 collided with it and caused it to Veer off and plunged back to Earth they're 1:23:50 sure of the location that Cosmos 96 went down but that they didn't have the 1:23:58 evidence but they were sure that another object the one that collided with it 1:24:04 also crashed back in to the Earth and they were 1:24:12 sure that whatever happened in gburg was possibly linked to that object if it 1:24:18 wasn't the object itself there is a wide range of ideas of what people think it was that landed at 1:24:24 kbur personally think that the probe that maybe have fell near kbur Pennsylvania 1:24:30 1965 was a terrestrial probe I think that the object looked like an 1:24:35 acorn-shaped object with a with a rim around it with hydrographic drawings I think looked remarkably similar to a 1:24:41 Soviet spacecraft that was used at that time Cosmos 96 is what I'm thinking of 1:24:46 in particular and according to records a craft of that of that type came down 1:24:51 approximately at the time that the kbur crash happened to this day 30 years later I 1:24:59 still don't know what the object was my own personal 1:25:06 feeling was that I stumbled upon an 1:25:11 interplanetary spaceship of some caliber my general consensus is that something 1:25:18 happened I think that there was an object that fell to the ground 1:25:24 I don't know what that object was I suspect that it was probably some kind 1:25:30 of uh small missile that uh that came to the ground it was probably a 1:25:37 mistake to me it it looked like it was from out of space I mean uh another 1:25:42 country or something like that I mean who controlled it how did it get in there so easy I mean how did it didn't 1:25:49 go down dig a big hole it came in just like if it was controlled somebody had control of it now you know it and it was 1:25:58 all it was all one piece there was no windows no wh Mark or no nothing no no 1:26:04 rivets no nothing it was just one solid piece I've never seen anything that 1:26:10 looked like what I saw that night because I had such a distinct view of 1:26:17 it to this day I can picture it in my mind just the way 1:26:22 it was that day it made an impression a lot of people feel the same 1:26:28 as I do it was a Russian rocket or satellite that type of thing you know uh 1:26:35 there if you read the newspapers at the time listen to television time uh United 1:26:41 States was putting up some trying to put up some spaceships or whatever you want to call them Rockets same way with the 1:26:52 Russians during my my interview with myin he disclosed a shocking detail he 1:26:57 revealed that he saw what appeared to have been a body in the building with the object when I walked in the building and 1:27:04 seen the Bell shape there and they was working on it I also seen an object laying on the workbench over there and 1:27:10 the workbench runs about 10 to 12 ft long and about 32 in wide and about four 1:27:16 or 3T about 36 in off the floor I seen the left hand of every what was in there 1:27:23 sticking out underneath of the sterile white pad and he only had three fingers 1:27:30 was about 4' n or or 4' 5 in tall if it was standing up but it looked like it 1:27:37 weigh about 80 lb and it had dark green or brownish 1:27:44 skin and it was just like a lizard I have no doubt in my mind that 1:27:49 the body laid on that table and the left hand of was sticking out underneath of 1:27:55 the white uh sterile pad that they had placed over him and he had the three 1:28:02 index finger and his skin looked like lizard I asked myON why he waited so 1:28:09 many years to divulge what he had seen in 1965 well for the reason I never said 1:28:16 anything before because Uncle Sam said if if it word ever leaked out and they 1:28:21 had to come and lock you up and throw the keys away away or give you a bullet to satisfy you no one will ever talk 1:28:28 about it right now is the time to tell it before something drastic happens and my son he's 24 years old and he said why 1:28:37 are you going to do it now and I said well I may not live till tomorrow the next day to tell it so I'll tell it all 1:28:43 tonight and be done with it only thing I've got now is a bad heart and high 1:28:48 blood pressure and sugar and on oxygen once in a while and and and walking 1:28:54 around taking nitroglycerin and only reason I'm telling you now because I may not be 1:29:00 here tomorrow if Myron's statement of having seen a body is true this brings 1:29:05 up many more questions as to what the object was was this a visitor from another world or could this have been a 1:29:11 crew member of a space device launched from Earth could there have been some type of accident where the occupant was 1:29:17 exposed to radiation or high heat that could have distorted its physical appearance the Witnesses are the kexb 1:29:24 incident stand by their accounts and they want to know what really happened well they can believe what they want to 1:29:30 I know what I seen and I know it happened cuz the military was in my house along with a 1:29:38 lot of other ones I'd be willing to yes to testify under oath what I saw that night 1:29:46 the military being there and I would testify well no matter what all has been 1:29:54 said about this I know what I saw and can still remember it as it 1:30:01 happened the day I saw it and I would be willing to testify under Earth as to what I saw willing to take a paragraph 1:30:08 test or whatever they want me to do to to show that I'm I'm telling the truth of what I've seen I'd be interested 1:30:15 going to the grand jury and tell them just what I seen if an object did fall 1:30:20 at kbur was it a man-made space vehicle that had certain maneuverable capabilities or could this have been a 1:30:26 visitor From Another World whose spacecraft had propulsion methods that exceeded the technical understanding of 1:30:31 man kind yet somehow went astray or was this indeed just a hoax was our government testing a new space device 1:30:38 and failed or did we possibly recover a sophisticated Soviet space vehicle that we wanted to study and never returned 1:30:44 and what if we did indeed recover a spacecraft From Another World shouldn't we have the right to know the truth 1:30:50 besides the kbur incident there are other alleged crashes of unusual a devices which have reportedly Fallen 1:30:56 around the world while it is likely that most of these are man-made space vehicles that have survived the entry 1:31:02 what if some were extraterrestrial spacecraft is it possible that some of our technical advancements have been 1:31:07 obtained from the study of materials that have been recovered from these alien craft I hope this presentation has 1:31:13 given you some insight into the kbur event many questions about the incident still remain unanswered it's up to you 1:31:20 to decide the kbur incident hoax or reality [Music]
